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PHMowgli: Welcome to Breeders Chat! tonight's topic is how to reduce puppy fatalities!

shyanapug: it's a good topic!! i'm expecting pups soon and hope to learn a lot!

PHMowgli: to change your name from guest type /nick (newname) and hot enter

PHMowgli: Shyana I have a girl ready to whelp any day LOL

GaPinLady: I've got one at 4 weeks

shyanapug: my girl is at 5 and is big already!

PHMowgli: well I am at week 8 3/4 LOL

shyanapug: i'm concerned cuz she was implanted and it looks like there are a LOT of babies in there! she's a small bitch too

GaPinLady: So any ideas on this subject? Nutrition? Activity?

PHMowgli: hoping she does not start labor during chat LOL

PHMowgli: well to start off nutrition plays a key role in health of puppies

shyanapug: i've been giving my girl folic acid......and was just told by someone i treally trust to get pet cal tabs

GaPinLady: Pet Cal can be just as dangerous.....too much calicum

PHMowgli: a bitch to get more protein, fat, carbs and more during her second half of partuition

GaPinLady: I give cottage cheese for extra calcium

shyanapug: ah!

PHMowgli: exactly gapin too much calcium can make the thyroid gland quit working

shyanapug: okay! will hold off on that!

PHMowgli: you need to make sure you are feeding a well balanced diet for a bitch in whelp

shyanapug: how much do u give daily

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GaPinLady: I mix in 1 teaspoon (toy dogs) per meal

shyanapug: i feed california natural and am getting ready to start her on the puppy formula

PHMowgli: I give 2 tsp of yogurt to my guys but they go 20 lbs average

GaPinLady: ok 2 tsp then

shyanapug: mine too....20 at least right now!

shyanapug: lol

PHMowgli: you need 27-34% protein

PHMowgli: 18% fat

GaPinLady: agreed......most puppy foods contain that amount of protein

PHMowgli: 20-30% carbs for a bitch in whelp

PHMowgli: and make sure you get plenty of omega 3 and 6 oils

PHMowgli: Welcome to Breeders Chat! tonights topic how to reduce puppy fatalities!

GaPinLady: agreed

travlinpom: hey all

PHMowgli: guests to change your name type /nick (newname) and hit enter

PHMowgli: Ok the other thing we need to do is prevent disease

PHMowgli: this is done by vaccinations or by keeping our girls away from other dogs and disease carrying items during pregnancy

shyanapug: i am concerned because i have had coccidia in the past! i know it can be deadly to babys

GaPinLady: does anybody have any experience with staph on puppies?

shyanapug: i have never had it with real young pups...but one got really sick at 6 mo

PHMowgli: shyana how did you clean to get rid of the coccidia?

shyanapug: not staph....coccidia

PHMowgli: no staph here gapin

GaPinLady: right.....coccidia = albon

shyanapug: can't cuz it's in the ground......i have some albon

shyanapug: will be watching pups all the time!

PHMowgli: I meant in the house or kennel or where you keep your adults, not the yard LOL

GaPinLady: Mostly I think I have infant mortality due to the small size of the bitches, big birth weight of pups etc

shyanapug: i am worried about possibly having too many to nurse and having to supplement

PHMowgli: I think the majority of mine is due to premature birth or congenital defects

GaPinLady: Last litter I revived the first pup, second was ok, then had to section the third :( which was DOA

PHMowgli: GaPin the girl who is in whelp now had her last llitter 10 days early last yr

shyanapug: i have lost pups to clef pallates

shyanapug: wow!!!

GaPinLady: oh wow

PHMowgli: none survived as you can imagine

shyanapug: isn't there something that they can give her to help her carry longer?

GaPinLady: sorry......that's very sad

shyanapug: what breed??

PHMowgli: that was her 4th litter was not expecting a problem

PHMowgli: sheltie * Guest41040 has joined #thedogden

PHMowgli: this litter I have watched her like a hawk

GaPinLady: oh I bet

shyanapug: how is she doing now???

PHMowgli: Welcome to Breeders Chat! tonights topic how to reduce puppy fatalities!

PHMowgli: so far great her first due date is sunday

GaPinLady: what a relief that must be

PHMowgli: using the old fashioned whelping wheel method LOL

GaPinLady: LOL

PHMowgli: yes i plan on keeping the entire litter she is retired after this

PHMowgli: so I am just hovering LOL

shyanapug: lol....my vet went and looked at progesterone levels to come up with a date for my girl....

shyanapug: different than what the calendars say!

GaPinLady: How do ya'll feel about doing back-to-backs? Think it increases the risk of infant mortality?

shyanapug: the entire litter!!!! how many do u think she'll have?

llasha: Are these show dogs having pups?

PHMowgli: I don't Ga

PHMowgli: 4-6 shyana

shyanapug: wow!!!

PHMowgli: yes llasha

llasha: thank you

travlinpom: llasha, mine are show dogs

shyanapug: well.....according to dr hutchinson.....and my vet...if it hasn't been a real big litter....and bitch is in good shape...back to backs are better

GaPinLady: Mine too

shyanapug: mine too

GaPinLady: no kidding

PHMowgli: Ok who thinks dystocia causes fatalities?

llasha: i just dropped in tonight to see subject. I don't show and don't have puppies but have dogs so am interested in all aspects : )

PHMowgli: shyana my vet as do I agree with Dr. hutch LOL

PHMowgli: welcome to llasha

shyanapug: i've been real lucky! my vet is a breeder vet and is real up on things!

PHMowgli: you never know you may learn something and possibly teach us something

shyanapug: i agree

shyanapug: do u stop showing when u are expecting or have babies?

PHMowgli: I do yes

GaPinLady: I do yes

PHMowgli: my breed Nationals are going on now and I am home with my girl rather than showing the sire of the litter LOL

travlinpom: It's a fine line, but i think what Dr. Hutch (and also my vet) is saying is that it is better for a bitch not to go through a season without being bred, he advocates using Cheque drops to stop the season, not necessarily breeding each season

GaPinLady: OOO that's hard!

shyanapug: i showed just after breeding and am showing next weekend....

PHMowgli: GaPin tell me about it LOL

shyanapug: not back to back to back. to back.....but a back to back is good

GaPinLady: I have heard that before too........one back to back is ok then skip a season

PHMowgli: I however to not agree with using cheque drops LOL

ann1234: how do I indentify?

PHMowgli: if we manipulate nature too much it will coem back to haunt you

shyanapug: my vet doesn't agree with the cheque drops either!

shyanapug: my girl is 4 and this is her first litter!

PHMowgli: ann you need to type /nickserv identify then type your password

shyanapug: i started showing her late as i was showing her dad and her brother

GaPinLady: well that's kinda hard on them too isn't it? To wait until age 4

ann1234: nickserv identify

ann1234: sukhi

llasha: May I ask a question.....OT.. but re: dogs?

shyanapug: then....a judge goofed and thought he gave me a major....took me a full year to get that best of winners with the major!

PHMowgli: GaPin I am not sure I have one girl that had her first litter at 5 and had 3 litters and was retired at 7

GaPinLady: wow....I chickened out and spayed my 5 year old cuz I hadn't bred her

shyanapug: she'll be bred once more if all goew well...

PHMowgli: uh ann you need to use the whoel thing even the back slash

PHMowgli: sure llasha go ahead

travlinpom: llasha, i'll try to answer your question, if i can . . .

PHMowgli: Welcome to Breeders Chat! tonights topic how to reduce puppy fatalities!

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PHMowgli: Welcome to Breeders Chat! tonights topic how to reduce puppy fatalities!

llasha: Thanks Pom...when fasting your dog...what is recommended meal BEFORE and AFTER?

travlinpom: llasha, what are you fasting the dog for?

PHMowgli: when fasting the before should be a tad larger about 2% more than normal

llasha: Just to give a rest ....I feed raw

PHMowgli: and after you feed 2 meals to equal one days feed

PHMowgli: Welcome to Breeders Chat! tonights topic how to reduce puppy fatalities!

casmor: Hi!

PHMowgli: to clarify for all who are wondering why fast a dog it is purported to detoxify the dogs system for those who feed raw

PHMowgli: Welcome to Breeders Chat! tonights topic how to reduce puppy fatalities!

PHMowgli: Ok back to the topic at hand

GaPinLady: but isn't the concept of raw to eliminate toxins in natural foods?

PHMowgli: it is GaPin but that is not tonights topic

llasha: Thank you ALL :)

GaPinLady: LOL ok sorry that just intriged me

PHMowgli: so lets nto get into a raw feed vs kibble debate LOL

travlinpom: thank you

PHMowgli: sorry but we can do that topic later if anyone wants too I know it hasw been hashed and rehashed a million times

GaPinLady: HAHA no thanks!

casmor: I lost a whole litter of puppies last week they were born nine days premature

GaPinLady: OMG.....how heartbreaking. Why do you think they came so early?

PHMowgli: casmor I had that happen to me last yr 10 days early

travlinpom: Oh casmor, that's terrible, i'm so sorry

Wiches: Hi. How many of you wind up hydrating your new pups since dam's milk is not in yet?

shyanapug: that is frightening

casmor: Did you find out what caused the premature labor Mowgli?

PHMowgli: my vet attributed it to the odd weather change we had then it went from 40 degree's to 90 degrees over night

casmor: umm makes sense

travlinpom: Wiches, i have done subq fluids on puppies, but very seldom . . . milk usually comes in the next day

PHMowgli: and it stayed above 90 for 3 days straight on the 3rd day seh whelped

llasha: How very sad for loss of pups....

shyanapug: i haven't had that problem YET with no milk

casmor: thank you

GaPinLady: me either Thanks God

casmor: I have another litter due any day and I am scared to death!!!

Wiches: Do you use Ringer's?

PHMowgli: wiches I h ave never had to hydrate pups my girls normally have milk prior to whelping

shyanapug: i heard of someone that did that and her pups did fine

travlinpom: Wiches, i use 10% dextrose solution

GaPinLady: Mow--looking back would it have helped to modify her temperature indoors somehow?

Wiches: LUCKY YOU Mowgli!

shyanapug: i have only brred one of my girls before this and she's always had milk before

llasha: Goodnight....and GOOD LUCK to all with your pups!

Wiches: Mine never have milk till 3rd day.

PHMowgli: GaPin that is why she is in the house now and has been for weeks in a temp controlled room LOL

shyanapug: i know that one of the top breeders gives hers beer to bring down the milk!

PHMowgli: nite llasha

PHMowgli: Welcome to Breeders Chat! tonights topic how to reduce puppy fatalities!

GaPinLady: beer for the dog........or the breeder.........LOLOL

shyanapug: both probably

PHMowgli: beer or brandy any alcohol

shyanapug: specifically for the dog tho

shyanapug: beer

PHMowgli: the alcohol causes dehyrdation thus the body reacts by letting loose flow of fluids

shyanapug: don't ask me!! i'm only sharing what she did

GaPinLady: Well I have heard of giving a drop of brandy to help revive a newborn....but not for the dam

Wiches: Has anyone dropped cow's liver blood on the tonque of the newborn to jump start it?

GaPinLady: NOOO

shyanapug: no never heard of that!

PHMowgli: GaPin I use brady to just start labor if a bitch tires

shyanapug: has anyone used fading puppy syndrome drops?

GaPinLady: really?? how does that work ?

travlinpom: shy, i have

PHMowgli: wiches I have tried it doesn't work LOL nutrical works better

GaPinLady: Mow......how does giving the brandy to the bitch help?

PHMowgli: works great a tsp of brandy in 1/4 cup cool milk with one slice broken bread

Wiches: The paste?

PHMowgli: yes wiches

GaPinLady: Nutrical rocks......

PHMowgli: GaPin this just gives her energy and resumes contractions

GaPinLady: no kidding Mow.....I will have to member that one....

Wiches: Do you give yogurt or Benebac?

GaPinLady: both or either.....depends on what I have handy

PHMowgli: I learned it from a breeder yrs ago and it really does work LOL

PHMowgli: I use yogurt not fond of benebac

GaPinLady: Mow--better than nutical?

PHMowgli: for a bitch yes GaPin but nutrical is far better for pups

GaPinLady: LOLOL I can imagine

PHMowgli: I do not want drunk pups LOL

GaPinLady: well I don't particularly want a drunk bitch either

GaPinLady: But I bet she'd like it :)

PHMowgli: well 1 tsp has never gotten any of mine drunk

GaPinLady: how much do they weigh?

PHMowgli: but I have had girls who wanted more the little lushes LOL

PHMowgli: I have shelties so between 15-20 lbs

GaPinLady: LMAO.......I had better modify that amount......my kids are 8-10lbs

PHMowgli: then go 1/2 tsp LOL

GaPinLady: good plan

PHMowgli: Ok how often do you take your bitches to vet during whelp?

shyanapug: has anyone used that fading puppy stuff?

PHMowgli: not me shyana

shyanapug: i have.....i like it! have to order more since my last litter was 2 yrs ago

PHMowgli: I try to stay away from new products on the market and stick to good time proven methods

GaPinLady: Mow--you mean before?? during??

casmor: Have not had to yet

travlinpom: i dont take them during whelp unless there is an emergency

shyanapug: it's been around along time

PHMowgli: before during and after

GaPinLady: once before for brucella and general check up........hopefully not again until after for a clean out shot

shyanapug: my girl was in for progesterone testing! and had to stay at the vet as he travels between 2 clinics....

PHMowgli: same here trav just for an emergency during whelp prior to whelp we go every 2 weeks for check up on bitches over 5

shyanapug: i had to work and chilled semen was coming in!

shyanapug: i just went back for an ultra sound..

Wiches: do you xray?

travlinpom: mow, you mean after breeding? every two weeks?

PHMowgli: I don't do a clean out shot unless it is necessary, and my girls see vet for check up on dewclaw day with pups

GaPinLady: wich--I have done x-rays

GaPinLady: oh I do the Dews

travlinpom: (--- no x-rays

shyanapug: i do dew claws

PHMowgli: trav for the older girls yes after breeding every 2 weeks during pregnancy

casmor: I do the dewclaws too

travlinpom: okay, i dont take mine at all during the pregnancy

casmor: do them at birth

Wiches: me, too.

travlinpom: i also do my own dew claws

GaPinLady: you do dews at birth?

casmor: yes found it easier don't bleed

GaPinLady: no kidding......what weight are your newborns?

PHMowgli: had I done that last yr i would have had katies pups allive and mokey may not have a needed a c-section so over 5 goes in for ultrasound every 2 weeks

casmor: usually anywhere from 4ounces to 8 ounces

Wiches: do you use scissors?

GaPinLady: I am worried that it's too hard on newborns......anybody else do them at birth?

GaPinLady: yes, suture removal scissors

PHMowgli: vet does my dewclaws with 2-5 oz pups it is too hard to hold them

shyanapug: no....i wait til 3-4 days

travlinpom: I usually do mine at one day to three days old

casmor: I use hemostats and twist then trim off with surgical scissors

Wiches: i usually do them 3-5 days

GaPinLady: Me too 3-5 days

PHMowgli: I wait till 3-5 days but the vet does it LOL

shyanapug: vet does mine too!

Wiches: i have to do tails, too.

PHMowgli: my vets uses lidocaine on the little dewclaws too

GaPinLady: do you do them at birth??

GaPinLady: OW.......they have a lidocaine injection?? Those things hurt!

Wiches: no, 3-5 days

Wiches: a friend rubber bands his tails

Wiches: no blood

PHMowgli: actually GaPin I had dewclaws without lidocaine and with and with is so much easier on pups and mom

GaPinLady: Yea I have heard of banding.....but it's a slow process and I think it's cruel

PHMowgli: I do agree with banding

GaPinLady: that's kewl Mow.

GaPinLady: oh?

PHMowgli: sorry that should have said do not agree

PHMowgli: I missed my not my brain works faster than my fingers

Wiches: i usually cut and then use ferrous subsulfate to stop bleeding

PHMowgli: but with the lidocaine my pups never cry and moms never get upset

PHMowgli: and no scarring ever either

GaPinLady: Back when I did tails, I tied yarn on the base tightly and then clamped and twisted them off. A little quick stop if necessary

GaPinLady: well Mow if I ever do vet Dews again I'll try that

casmor: at birth they don't cry either

Wiches: i would like to not have to cut..

PHMowgli: casmor how much do your pups weigh at birth?

PHMowgli: and how long are they?

casmor: have had 4 ounces to 8 ounces

PHMowgli: I am dealing with 4 inch long pups weighing about 3-4 oz's on avg

Wiches: me, too.

casmor: not sure about length

GaPinLady: wow Sheltie pups are little huh

PHMowgli: I can fit 5 pups in one hand

PHMowgli: too hard to hold the little tiny feet to even see dewclaws

GaPinLady: Mine are generally a little heavier than that....5oz up to the biggest one at 8

Wiches: what is normal size of litter Mow?

PHMowgli: wow waht breeds do you all have?

PHMowgli: 4-6 wiches

Wiches: good amount

GaPinLady: Toy Manchesters (forgot and logged in with the wrong screen name)

PHMowgli: I know what trav has LOL seh has tiny poms lOL

PHMowgli: Oh I really want a toy manchester

PHMowgli: tht is my next dog for a pet/show dog LOL

GaPinLady: OK way off topic but can I throw in a HUGE brag?

PHMowgli: sure LOL

GaPinLady: My very first home-bred CH has dominated the ring and finished in 2 weekends and is already ranked #3

PHMowgli: casmor waht breed do you have?

PHMowgli: oh great GaPIn

Wiches: Congrats!

GaPinLady: he is 8 months old'

casmor: shelties

PHMowgli: that is wonderful

GaPinLady: thanks! I am over the moon

shyanapug: congrats!

PHMowgli: wow you have big pups for shelties

GaPinLady: said puppy's Mother is PG again (I hope)

PHMowgli: Welcome to Breeders Chat! tonights topic how to reduce puppy fatalities!

Wiches: I finished my male today in 4 shows BBE Class. Yippee!

casmor: knock on wood haha this next litter may not be mom is picky eater

GaPinLady: congrats wiches!

PHMowgli: not at the nationals cause of puppies too huh casmor LOL

shyanapug: isn't bred by terrific!! congrats!

casmor: yes haha home reading results

Wiches: Had to go up against Green Team!*G*

PHMowgli: I have not seen the results yet are they posted on info dog yet?

Wiches: doubt it

casmor: they were on the sheltie list

casmor: mowgli did you breed your girl again who lost the litter last year?

PHMowgli: yes she is the one due sunday casmor

casmor: oh I hope all goes well

PHMowgli: so far so good the ultrasounds look great

Wiches: can you tell how many?

PHMowgli: we see 6

Wiches: WOW!!

GaPinLady: wow

PHMowgli: all moving well too

shyanapug: i'm real excited as i think i'm retiring and this is the last litter i have to worry about having somone else here!

shyanapug: i didn't know ultrasounds were as clear this late in the game!

GaPinLady: I haven't found ultrasounds to be very accurate...have ya'll?

shyanapug: yep!!!

PHMowgli: there actually could be more pups but we could nor see real clear

shyanapug: this time tho...... we saw 4 right away...then more but couldn't tell if we were repeating!

PHMowgli: shyana she has been getting ultrasounds every 2 weeks thoughout pregnancy from 32 days one

shyanapug: the vet was fascinated!

Wiches: it depends on the state of the art of the equipment and the vet or vet tech

shyanapug: mine was at day 31

casmor: I had litter of 8 last year!! all weighed 8 oucnes haha.. maybe you will this time!!!

shyanapug: ugh! that's a real big litter for a pug!

GaPinLady: what do ultrasounds cost you?

PHMowgli: well I think they will be small birth weights as this is katies 5th and last litter but always small pups

shyanapug: i paid 45

GaPinLady: Pugs are automatically c-sectioned aren't they?

PHMowgli: I paid 35 each this litter

shyanapug: not all..but mine are

GaPinLady: mow--$35 is good price

casmor: I pay $70.00 here

Wiches: whne do you schedule them?

shyanapug: i worry that something will go wrong and the vet that i trust is an hour away!

GaPinLady: shy--do you find that maiden bitches that are sectioned make lousy moms?

PHMowgli: I got a discount cause I had so many ran on her LOL

shyanapug: he looked at the progesterone test!

PHMowgli: shyana mine vet is 1 hr away too LOL

casmor: yes you should!!!

shyanapug: he said either the 10 or 11....i said i'd rather schedule for the 11 to give the pups the extra time..

Wiches: mine, too.

shyanapug: but we're both gonna be ready starting on the 9

PHMowgli: casmor my c-section last that had a torsion and 5 1 lb puppies was only 500

shyanapug: well...my bitch that i've bred is a lousy mom! hates pups once they are standing!

Wiches: does he take them or wiat till progesterone changes or labor begins?

casmor: that was great price

shyanapug: flame...the one that i've bred now.....is great with pups!

PHMowgli: and by the way the biggest pup ended up being 14 1/2" tall LOL

GaPinLady: I got lucky......my emergency section was only $250

shyanapug: i will watch temp...and he'll take a test...but he knows that she'll be ready for sure on the 11

PHMowgli: when I saw 1 lb puppies come out of my girls I was panicking LOL

PHFlea: Good Evening Everyone!!

GaPinLady: I might have to consider doing a section on her next time.

Wiches: Really??? Amazing!!

PHMowgli: never saw a puup that big in my life LOL

GaPinLady: O M G.........1 lb puppies!

casmor: did you have to tube feed?

casmor: oh one pound!!! haha

PHMowgli: nope mom fed them all great too

casmor: was thinking one oucne haha

shyanapug: mine will cost about 350-450 if emergency

shyanapug: i've tubed!

shyanapug: i had to tube my boy cuz he was small....

Wiches: mine cost $1000-$1200 emerg. section!!

shyanapug: then the worst!

PHMowgli: yes at a 1 lb birth weight and to end up that size was amazing

shyanapug: had to tube 2 of my 2 1/2 wk old babies after they were used to mom!

shyanapug: it was awful

Wiches: i hate tubing

shyanapug: me too

PHMowgli: Welcome to Breeders Chat! tonights topic how to reduce puppy fatalities!

GaPinLady: shy why did you tube them and not bottle feed them?

PHMowgli: he hey Flea

PHFlea: Good Evening Everyone!!

shyanapug: They weren't able tosuck

GaPinLady: how were they eating off mom then?

Wiches: never get the nipple hole right size

shyanapug: i hadn't noticed that their chests hadn't droped

PHMowgli: casmor do you have any idea why your girl had pups so early?

shyanapug: ]they were becoming swimmers!

casmor: no none no indrction no discharge

GaPinLady: but even swimmers nurse

casmor: infection

shyanapug: i tubed....got them standing...and within 2 days could start back on mom

shyanapug: yepo

PHMowgli: mom had an infection?

casmor: had ultrasound week before

casmor: everything fine

casmor: no I meant no infection

GaPinLady: I am confused shy. I would bottle rather than tube at 2 weeks

shyanapug: they couldn't suck due to lack of lung capcity!

shyanapug: had to get them standing.....

GaPinLady: wow....sure glad I don't have that problem with TMTs

shyanapug: had to tube....also had to start finger feeding them

Wiches: what size tube do you use?

casmor: will prob do progresterone testing next time mowgli

PHMowgli: hmm casmor any weird weather

casmor: well kinda but not as hot as you had

PHMowgli: so nothing that could have really upset her and caused to go into early labor?

casmor: we had snow then 70 degree

PHFlea: casmor....me too

casmor: no she was active all thru the preg

PHMowgli: did you get any storms or anything

casmor: no

casmor: her mom did go three days early

PHMowgli: Katie was the same way last yr

casmor: so wonder if it was hormonal

shyanapug: if it's hormonal ...there's something they can do!

PHMowgli: absolutley normal then one day pups 10 days early in the play yard for preggo's

shyanapug: need to have progesterone tested

Wiches: do you get samne day results?

PHMowgli: we had 83 degrees here the other day that is when I put Ktie in a climate controlled room

shyanapug: same day can be done,....but not as reliable

PHMowgli: not taking hcances this time

GaPinLady: mow--are your dogs normally in climate control all the time?

casmor: I know I had one live for a day he had no hair

PHMowgli: shyana Dr. Hutch will do a same day and results are very good

shyanapug: am not near him! lol!!

PHMowgli: GaPin no cause they go outside

shyanapug: my vet does in house...but not as good as out

PHMowgli: shyana me either but I can get a sample sent to him overnight

GaPinLady: mow--other than to potty I meant

PHFlea: Hi Damelbo!!!

damelbo: hey hey hey!

shyanapug: if i overnite.....they do that anyway...so have results at my vet

PHMowgli: yes GaPin they have a kennel building it has air and heat

PHMowgli: I keep it about 65 in winter and 75 in summer

PHMowgli: then they have doors to go outside

PHFlea: Howdy Faust!!

faustcorpus: Howdy

PHMowgli: hey faust

PHMowgli: hey mel

shyanapug: how many of ur girls get that eggy discharge?

damelbo: Hey Faust

PHMowgli: but you guys gotta remember I have 20 dogs LOL

shyanapug: my girl has had hers for over a wk now and has 3 wks left

GaPinLady: discharge aye

casmor: that goop muscous stuff

shyanapug: yep

PHMowgli: yep I get a discharge LOL

GaPinLady: that's the stuff

PHMowgli: kinda yellowish

casmor: yes that is how I can tell if they are bred

shyanapug: what a mess!!!!

PHFlea: Mel....is your DH handy??

damelbo: ewww!!!

shyanapug: lol.....and she sleeps with me!! they all sleep with me!

GaPinLady: underpants!

casmor: yes mine sleep with me too haha

damelbo: I am glad my females are fixed

PHMowgli