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PHChristy: Welcome to Dog Breeding Chat! Our topic tonight is "What things about your breed need improving, and what do you want to preserve?"

lhczth: Hello

borzoid: love breaking apart frozen chicken - leaves your hands nice and soft lol

PHChristy: although at the moment we're talking about raw feeding

berta: sorry

PHChristy: LOL borzoid, try lamb breast.... talk about a nice moisturizer

RedyreRotties: well, Christy, having just attended my National I can make a few observations on that.

RedyreRotties: Toplines were sad. I mean terrible.

berta: They're STILL staring at me they know it's still in the sink

PHChristy: Redrye, that's a shame... not sure about Rotties, but that's damn hard to fix in my breed

berta: Fronts on Sammies suck

RedyreRotties: I saw SO many that were broken behind the withers, and more still that bounced or even FLOPPED while the dog was moving.

lhczth: Both subjects are good. :)

berta: well not mine of course or they couldn't do agility

RedyreRotties: ours too berta. A decent shoulder of proper proportion is practically impossible to find.

PHChristy: Hiya Rueger! Welcome to Dog Breeding Chat! Our topic tonight is "What things about your breed need improving, and what do you want to preserve?"

PHChristy: Rueger, nice fish

borzoid: I'll have to watch at the next show Red - I always thought of the breed as tightly put together

borzoid: Hi Rueger - hows things

berta: Unfortuantely there are SO MANY bad ones that's what's getting put up and bred

Rueger: Thanks I was feeling like nemo tonight LOL

PHChristy: I want to preserve temperament ....

PHChristy: EClat! Welcome to Dog Breeding Chat! Our topic tonight is "What things about your breed need improving, and what do you want to preserve?"

borzoid: Hi EClat

RedyreRotties: The WD, tho, has a lovely shoulder, topline, nice type, and really nice side gait. I liked him really well. He also had 2 littermates who were in the ring.....

EClatSPs: Hi, all! Sorry I'm late!

PHChristy: that's OK!

berta: Oh for sure temperment in Sams is hard to beat

RedyreRotties: One as a special and one in open. I didnt like either as well as the WD but all 3 had that gorgeous shoulder.

Rueger: I like temperament also but despise the huge massive sizes now

PHChristy: I want to preserve type, deerhounds have good type IMO

borzoid: Something I really dislike in borzoi is the very narrow chests

lhczth: The nerves, drives and temperament to work to answer both questions.

PHChristy: I'm concerned about size in my breed, loss of function in the field (although drive seems to be there)

Rueger: for shelties not deerhounds btw LOL

RedyreRotties: I want to preserve correct temperament in my breed, along with type and soundness.

berta: We are also losing the Sammie smile.

PHChristy: berta :(

borzoid: berta is that due to looser mouths?

RedyreRotties: berta, that is one of the essences of your breed. That is sad.

lhczth: As far as structure, short upper arms and I HATE the current structure of the showlines.

PHChristy: I'm more concerned with preserving my breed at this time, than with improving it. Not that it can't be improved, but to me at this point, it's got more worth saving than fixing.

PHChristy: lisa, yeah, we have some upper arm issues in deerhounds, too

RedyreRotties: oh lh, these short upper arms are everywhere, and they are rampant in Rotties too.

PHChristy: hmmmmm

berta: Alot of people think the smile is with mouth open but with a proper flew they look like they're smiling with their mouth closed

RedyreRotties: hi thorn

Rueger: we have hock and stifle issues in my opinion gonna look GSD's in 5 yrs if they keep on this way

PHChristy: hello thorncolly! Welcome to Dog Breeding Chat! Our topic tonight is "What things about your breed need improving, and what do you want to preserve?"

borzoid: Looser mouths are becoming more common in borzoi also

Rueger: howdy thorn

borzoid: Hi thorn

lhczth: I see people ooo and aaaaaaaaa over movement and I don't know why they can't see how limited the reach really is on these dogs. They all lift in front.

berta: Yes Borzoid they should have very tight lips

PHChristy: what I see in Borzoi out here is crappy, crappy movement

thorncolly: Hey Christy

RedyreRotties: lh what breed?

PHChristy: all over the place, sloppy

lhczth: German Shepherd Dogs, european lines.

PHChristy: and some pretty roachy backs, although that does seem to be improving.

berta: A proper lip line should NEVER show a droopy flew

borzoid: That too - narrow chests with shoulders set very far forward - gives the appearance of reach in the sidegait but it's false reach

PHChristy: (borzois, not deerhounds - I'm talking about)

RedyreRotties: lh proper shoulder is absolutely essential for you to have the right reach and drive in that breed espl

PHChristy: I saw a horrible little BYB GSD the other day, not even very handsome, but my GOD could that dog move

RedyreRotties: short upper arm and you are never going to get it.

berta: Yep I've seen Sams with the front too forward also

lhczth: What I want to preserve though is the working ability, drives, nerves, fight drive, etc that has made this such an all around working dog.

Rueger: wide rears and fronts too in shelties too wide

PHChristy: one minute he was just sort of ambling along and then he went into this beautiful effortless trot

berta: People who don't know the breed have a CH made and breed not knowing what they are doing and just picking a big winner

PHChristy: that is so distinctively GSD

RedyreRotties: the dog who won our National this year is stunning. What a mover that dog is. I could only stand there and go WOW.

berta: Unfortuantely I haven't seen a male Sam in years that has made me drop my jaw

RedyreRotties: You could not believe the condition on this dog. He was halfway around the ring ahead of the rest of the dogs and he looked like he was just out for a little jog.

PHChristy: Morgan is at her National right now

RedyreRotties: nothing moving on the dog but ears and legs. I swear.

berta: brb

PHChristy: Lisa, it is usual to see BYB GSDs who can really move? or was this guy a fluke?

lhczth: But what good is movement is the dog can't work and unfortunately that is what we are losing.

lhczth: if the dog

PHChristy: Lisa, well, yes.... who can argue with THAT?

PHChristy: it's very hard in breeds whose work is archaic, such as mine, but in a breed like the GSD, to see them lose working ability is heartbreaking

lhczth: Even byb people get it right sometimes. :-)

PHChristy: LOL Lisa

RedyreRotties: lh, I understand your point, but this was a beauty show, and that is what I was appreciating. FINALLY a beautiful dog who was structurally correct and could MOVE.

borzoid: The show ring and evaluation of side gaits has promoted the forward front ends because of the appearance it gives the side gait

PHChristy: borzoid, and it's killing the sighthounds

Rueger: exactly borzoid but it does not improve actual performance nor is gait correct

lhczth: I know. I appreciate good balanced movement too. No extremes, just a balanced working gait.

PHChristy: they float around the show ring and take your breath away, and they WANT to chase, but can they do it? can they last?

borzoid: Also I know coursing enthusiasts who specifically breed for the narrow dog

RedyreRotties: lh, this dog was covering an incredible amount of ground and looked like he was doing nothing.

PHChristy: borzoid, lure coursing?

borzoid: yes

PHChristy: my theory on lure coursing is, it's a game.

PHChristy: if we start breeding Borzois and Deerhounds for lure coursing, we're just screwed

borzoid: Not if you keep correct structure in the mix

PHChristy: I DO it. They LOVE it. But we can't confuse it with real field work.

PHChristy: Borzoid, absolutely... I mean if we make successful lure coursing hounds our sole goal

PHChristy: ie, "breeding FOR lure coursing"

PHChristy: I think lure coursing is great

PHChristy: I bred the first LCM deerhound EVER on the West Coast

borzoid: congrats

PHChristy: I just mean, if we start scaling them down and making them into, well... whippets... we're in trouble

PHChristy: although scaling down deerhounds a bit would be good, they are getting too big

PHChristy: you guys there?

borzoid: zois are getting bigger also but not the ones you see coursing

Rueger: I am

PHChristy: LOL

PHChristy: you all went so quiet for a minute

berta: yep

PHChristy: I thought maybe the room was froze

PHChristy: frozen

Rueger: I am always quiet aren't I?

PHChristy: <---spells for a living, who knew?

EClatSPs: I'm just sitting back reading.

berta: I agree about the sidegait. Beautiful but the front and rear movement sucks

PHChristy: Rueger, ummmm... I plead the 5th?

borzoid: sorry was trying to find some old pics

Rueger: oh yeah I am never quiet I got myself mixed up

berta: You quiet???

borzoid: now check these out - these were Chasm

Rueger: ok now I will be myself and start causing problms

PHChristy: EClat, I'd LOVE to hear what you think are the things worth preserving and what you'd like to improve in Standard Poodles?

PHChristy: I can say I'd like to see them get healthier.

berta: I was checking out the chick again and getting a drink

PHChristy: I was consdiering a standard but was put off by the high incidence of autoimmune problems, thyroid, Addison's...

borzoid: Chasm's coursing debut - look down to the two front end shots at the bottom of the page - those are correct shoulders and chest that "work" in a coursing dog

berta: How about not breeding them to Labs?

PHChristy: LOL berta

berta: SA

Rueger: shelties have so many genetic disease and defects now something must be done to work on breed preservation or they will not be in here for next generation

PHChristy: I'm sure that EClat does NOT breed her poodles to labs

borzoid: http://community-2.webtv.net/borzoid/CHASMCOURSES/index.html

lhczth: Yes, health is another major problem in the GSD after temperament.

Rueger: ha ha berta labradoodles are so cute though

berta: I just found out today from a friend that a woman she knows bought a male to breed to her Labs so she can make alot of money

PHChristy: oh my god, look at those shoulders from the front!

PHChristy: berta, that just makes me sick :(

Rueger: OMG berta

borzoid: aren't they awesome

berta: don't know couldn't get there yet

borzoid: That is a flexible shoulder and you should see her side gate

PHChristy: I'd love to

EClatSPs: Sorry, had to go chase down a puppy. They are out tiring themselves down so I can take pics later.

PHChristy: LOL EClat

PHChristy: how are the little puppers doing?

borzoid: LOL

EClatSPs: I agree that health is the NUMBER ONE thing I'd like to improve.

EClatSPs: We have seven tests recommended to do for all breeding dogs and even more disorders we can't test for.

PHChristy: I can't really comment on the standard poodles from a conformation standpoint

lhczth: Eclat: what breed?

PHChristy: I like their temperament, their personalities, their intelligence, their trainability

Rueger: right e-clat shelties are same way it is awful

EClatSPs: Puppies are great. Most of them over 5 lbs now and they had their first outing to Petco this past weekend.

PHChristy: I do not care for the show clips

EClatSPs: Standard Poodles.

EClatSPs: I LOVE the show clips.

PHChristy: I wouldn't want to show an adult standard poodle unless you could show in a sporting or kennel clip

PHChristy: which I understand will be over the dead, prostrate, screaming body of Anne Rogers Clark

EClatSPs: But a lot of that comes from a deep understanding of how they relate to the breed's history. It's such an intrigal part.

EClatSPs:

PHChristy: I would be a pet home for sure if I had one

lhczth: but is all that extra really something one would have wanted on a working retriever?

PHChristy: I really love their personalities

EClatSPs: Structure: We need fronts. They need to be better angulated and set further back.

lhczth: all that extra coat?

EClatSPs: Also many rears are becoming overangulated.

PHChristy: I have seen that on the rears (easier to see)

EClatSPs: Yes.

Rueger: brb

PHChristy: is there a size DQ in standards, I mean, can they be too TALL to be shown?

EClatSPs: It's way too deep to get into right now, but all of the hair is part of the history. I do think it's gotten a bit exaggerated over the years, but I do like the trim.

PHChristy: WB berta

berta: okay who kicked me off line

borzoid: problem with overangulated rears in zois is that they generally come with wheel backs

PHChristy: I've heard the whole story behind the trims. I'm not sure I buy it but it's not my breed so my opinion doesn't matter

EClatSPs: Not here, but there is an upper limit in Europe.

lhczth: That is what I meant. I know the cuts have a purpose, but the HUGE amount of hair left on the heads would never be used on a working dog.

berta: what are you trimming

PHChristy: borzoid, yeah.... nothing like a wheelbacked, slab sided, overangulated behind Borzoi.... and yet, when I got Kyrie, THAT is what I saw in the breed ring and I just couldn't understand

EClatSPs: I wish there were an upper size limit here as many people are breeding for size over type.

berta: oh poodles

lhczth: We have an upper size, but it isn'

lhczth: t paid attention to.

lhczth: Oops

PHChristy: Kyrie has a lot of conformation problems, don't get me wrong... but that's why Kyrie is a pet

EClatSPs: Agreed, then, ichzth

PHChristy: she was better than half the dogs I saw in the breed rings in Northern CA

PHChristy: of course, this was four, five years back

borzoid: I think overall the top lines and angulation are improving but you are still seeing slab sides and narrow fronts

PHChristy: I'm glad they are improving

PHChristy: sometimes these are just temporary or even regional problems

PHChristy: the dominance of one particular breeder or line

lhczth: Christy, you have deerhounds?

PHChristy: yes, Lisa, I do

RedyreRotties: fronts (shoulders) and toplines are the big issues I see in Rotties. Scary for working dogs.

PHChristy: I have one pet Borzoi but I breed Deerhounds

lhczth: I was just trying to remember. :-)

PHChristy: :)

borzoid: or the dominence of a particular set of judges

PHChristy: borzoid, that too

PHChristy: if I could feel more confident about the health, I'm sure I'd get a pet poodle at some point. I know one day I'll have a GSD, but not as long as my cattle dog mix is alive.

PHChristy: she's dog aggressive

RedyreRotties: Or the drive of breeders and owners to win no matter if they are breeding to the standard or showing dogs who are TYPICAL of the standard.

PHChristy: but not a show GSD

lhczth: :-)

EClatSPs: If you know the breeder and the lines, you can be fairly confident about the health.

PHChristy: EClat, you think so?

EClatSPs: Yes, for the most part.

RedyreRotties: Not so in my breed. Elbow problems are out of hand. Even from dogs certified normal.

PHChristy: Lew has offered me a Rottie

lhczth: Big money has been the downfall of the GSD. When the top showline dogs are bringing 6 figures just for being big, fluggy and gorgeous there is no incentive to breed for working ability.

lhczth: fluffy

RedyreRotties: Christy, I got to visit with her some at the National. It was good to see her.

EClatSPs: If you find a breeder who knows where the problems lie and work to carefully plan breedings, the risks can be greatly reduced.

borzoid: I'm not a fan of show GSDs

PHChristy: it's odd but some breeds just appeal to us more or less than others

RedyreRotties: so true Christy

PHChristy: I can't stand show GSDs, but I'll be editing that statement out of the transcipt

lhczth: I am talking european lines. Not the same as AKC show lines.

PHChristy: I don't like offending people, and I guess they have the right to want what they want in their dogs, but if THAT is all a GSD was, well....

EClatSPs: I can say that the risks for these puppies for genetic disorders is what I would consider negligable with SA being the one thing that might have a slightly higher chance than anything else.

PHChristy: EClat, temperaments seem solid in poodles

PHChristy: in the standards, at least

PHChristy: I don't know about the minis and toys

EClatSPs: Fortunately they are for the most part.

berta: SA has been showing up in Sams in the last 5 - 10 years now.

berta: I think it's the vaccines

EClatSPs: There are a few lines which have some issues with temperament, though.

PHChristy: holy you know what, berta, I had no idea!

lhczth: Guy I train dogs with on occasion imported a young male, titled him, showed him in conformation and sold him to a pet person for 12K. The dog was neutered. He just wanted a beautiful pet. The money involved is rediculous.

EClatSPs: I didn't knwo that either.

EClatSPs: know

PHChristy: EClat, do you know Sally Poole?

EClatSPs: No.

PHChristy: Hi there MESA! Welcome to Dog Breeding Chat! Our topic tonight is "What things about your breed need improving, and what do you want to preserve?"

EClatSPs: Where's she from? Kennel Name?

RedyreRotties: hi Mesa.

PHChristy: Windshift

lhczth: Gotta go. Night all.

PHChristy: she only bred a couple of litters of SPs

PHChristy: night Lisa!

MESAshelties_nr: Hi

EClatSPs: night

berta: One of the breeders that had a young CH show up with it is collecting data from others that will admit to the problem....... so far about 10 people

PHChristy: anyway, Sally breeds deerhounds and now IGs ....

Rueger: Hi Mesa

PHChristy: she bred a couple litters of SPs, but the health problems were unbelievable.

PHChristy: Hi there HiHope! Welcome to Dog Breeding Chat! Our topic tonight is "What things about your breed need improving, and what do you want to preserve?"

PHChristy: berta, that is scary

borzoid: Hi Hope

PHChristy: EClat, perhaps she put me off the breed unfairly

PHChristy: I loved her dogs though.

PHChristy: What wonderful companions.

MESAshelties_nr: in Our breed I believe it is straight fronts that need improvement

PHChristy: MESA, that seems to be common to a number of breeds mentioned tonight.

PHChristy: She got her first poodle the way I got my Borzoi, as a "littermate" to a singleton deerhound

EClatSPs: There really are a lot of problems and we put a whole lot of money into testing for them. Well, the responsible breeders do. And it *is* a lot of work to study pedigrees to learn where the issues are and how to best avoid them.

HiHope_nr: Straight fronts and elbow ED in Labradors

MESAshelties_nr: too much time hasbeen spent on head detail in sables

PHChristy: he ended up keeping him as a pet, he died recently at around 10.

EClatSPs: We keep dreaming that someday we'll have genetic tests for all of them.

HiHope_nr: ED ( elbow dysplasia ) that should have said. somehow lots my cursor

MESAshelties_nr: they let the body go

berta: so far thank God none of the lines I've been involved with but one friend has had SA and pulmonary stenosis show up in their last two litters they are having everyone spayed and neutered

PHChristy: EClat, she really did do a huge amount of pedigree research and she's VERY responsible and careful

RedyreRotties: Hi, that's a huge prob in Rotties as well. ED.

PHChristy: HIHope, how are temperaments doing in Labs?

RedyreRotties: We can have SAS in Rotties too.

EClatSPs: That's probably why she said it was so much.

HiHope_nr: I just found out my star chocolate boy has DJD. SIgh

PHChristy: Hope, I"m so sorry

PHChristy: how old is he?

EClatSPs: What's DJD?

RedyreRotties: hi, it is so bad in Rotties that grade 1 elbows are practically viewed as normal and almost everyone uses them.

berta: DJD??

HiHope_nr: I let what was to be my foundation bitch go back to her breeder for a dog agressive temperament. She's breeding her. GRRR and that's where the ED came from

RedyreRotties: degenerative joint disease.

PHChristy: degenerative joint disease

HiHope_nr: Yes, DJD. He's 16 months old

EClatSPs: OK.

PHChristy: SIXTEEN MONTHS OLD?

PHChristy: oh no!

Rueger: Mesa I had said the same earlier LOL

HiHope_nr: He'll show this weekend and then he's retired to the couch and neutered

PHChristy: EClat, I'll check with Sally on her lines and tell you next week

borzoid: brb

PHChristy: or email you

EClatSPs: OK.

RedyreRotties: my rottie bitch was moderate under CT scan examination at 10 mos in both elbows. WITH arthritic changes already.

EClatSPs: What part of the country is she in?

PHChristy: EClat, CA

PHChristy: but she travels all over

RedyreRotties: both parents ofa normal hips and elbows.

MESAshelties_nr: Rueger... What/ the heads?

PHChristy: she's a real serious show person

PHChristy: I'm sure she will become a judge soon

EClatSPs: There are several good breeders in CA.

PHChristy: not common in deerhounds to be this serious about dog showing

HiHope_nr: Redyre Rotties: Same here. BOth sire and dam OFA good on hip[s and normal elbows UGH

PHChristy: of course, deerhounds dont' travel well

PHChristy: not like IGs or poodles, LOL

EClatSPs: My poodles *love* to travel!

PHChristy: EClat, I forget, where are you?

EClatSPs: I'm in Missouri now, but just moved out here from OK about a year ago.

berta: That's cause you have to strap them to the roof of your car cause they don't fit inside

Rueger: heads and shoulder comments you made I said same things when I came in LOL

PHChristy: ROFL berta

EClatSPs: lol

PHChristy: Hi there palrytm, ode2! Welcome to Dog Breeding Chat! Our topic tonight is "What things about your breed need improving, and what do you want to preserve?"

Rueger: I also added size is getting way too big

HiHope_nr: Soooo many are not even checking for elbows when they go for hip xrays. It's really scarey if you'd consider that prolly 50% of them would not pass elbows if they were radiographed

berta: I ran errands today and took the sammie pack with me just to give them a ride

RedyreRotties: Hi, it has been estimated that as much as 70 percent of our breed is affected, and the OFA stats bear this out.

HiHope_nr: SIze in labradors is staying pretty steady. ALtho there is way too much substance on some lines

PHChristy: well, be glad you HAVE screening tests! we have no tests to screen for our common problems in deerhounds

RedyreRotties: hi I see some labs at shows and I wonder how the dog could EVER do any field work. They look like pigs some of them.

EClatSPs: Took the puppies to Petco over the weekend and to the vet's office yesterday and everyone just went to sleep in the car.

berta: Around here we call them Flabadors

HiHope_nr: I know that some feel that a Grade 1 ED is akin to "fair" ofa hips

PHChristy: there is a terrible field/ring split in Labs

EClatSPs: Wow! Rottie!

HiHope_nr: ROTFL Berta !

PHChristy: LOL EClat, lucky you!

EClatSPs: I agree about the show labs.

RedyreRotties: not all, but some.

PHChristy: but I've observed that with poodles, they are very adaptable

HiHope_nr: There really is a split but it's not as bad as one would think

PHChristy: Hope, really? I'm glad to hear that

HiHope_nr: Oh lord. Talk about poodles. Now there are those of ill repute breeding GULP Labradoodles !

PHChristy: it just seems that very few show lab people hunt or care about hunting ability

HiHope_nr: My queeen of RWB has her Junior Hunter title on her

EClatSPs: They'll be taking their first 'big' road trip back to OK in a week and a half. That's about 6 hours each way.

PHChristy: Hope, yes we were trashing them before you got here on behalf of EClat, who breeds standard poodles

PHChristy: Hope, congrats!

RedyreRotties: Hi I find that particularly repugnant. We have a "goldendoodle" kennel around here. Makes the hair on my arms stand up.

PHChristy: Hiya Mow!

EClatSPs: Labradoodles, goldendoodles, etc etc

HiHope_nr: Her sire also has over 20 Master Hunter passes. So Her lines are very show and hunt

PHMowgli: Howdy

berta: Yuppie dogs

EClatSPs: Don't even get me started.

PHChristy: I can't tell you how many of them I turn down for the code of ethics breeders registry

PHChristy: Hope, OK... BUT.....

borzoid: back

EClatSPs: My stomach starts turning even hearing those names!

borzoid: chasing puppies

HiHope_nr: mine too EClat !

PHChristy: hunting tests don't equal actual field work... ie, real hunting. Not in my breed either, I'm not singling out Labs!

EClatSPs: When we were at Petco, one lady asked if these were 'that new lab poodle cross' and I nearly came unglued@

HiHope_nr: ACtually, my bitch hunts duck and geese with my hubby

PHChristy: Hope, now THAT counts

borzoid: LOL

PHChristy: EClat.... I'd have screamed

PHMowgli: Christy yes and herding trials is not at all what a dog who actually works stock does either

HiHope_nr: IMHO, hunt tests are more actual hunting than a field trial.

HiHope_nr: In a field trial it's dog vs dog. Hunt tests are based on a written "standard"

EClatSPs: I said 'NO', but my tongue and then tried to make a reasonable sounding reply.

borzoid: we are over here with our "starved" collies

PHChristy: yes, sporting dog field trials are a bizarre subculture all their own!

berta: I agree Hope I've been to both

PHChristy: not that I have an opinion or anything

Rueger: ok everyone I have to leave now see you all later!!!

PHChristy: night Rue!

HiHope_nr: I'll never have a field trial dog but give me a good lookin lab that can go hunt with hubby and I'll take that one anyday < wink>

berta: You can't leave I have to ask you something

PHChristy: Hope, and THAT is a good goal!

PHMowgli: Uh Christy have you ever failed to have an opinion?

PHChristy: ROFL Mowgli

PHChristy: not yet

ode2adream: *lol*

HiHope_nr: Actually my bitch is preggers by a AM/CAN CH who has one Master hunter pass. Sad that our breed only has 30 something CH/Master hUnters. but soon sire will be one ! WOO HOOO

PHChristy: but some people are surprised at the scope of things I cover with my opinions

PHChristy: Hope, that's great!

PHMowgli: Christy you always suprise me at least once a night

PHChristy: now, EClat, when are you going to get your POODLES out in the field????

HiHope_nr: I'm drooling over this pedigree but we'll see about may 21st when shes due to whelp

EClatSPs: I saw a 'real' looking lab puppy bitch beat a 'flabradoodle' (love the description) at a UKC show once. The one owner nearly came unglued, but that puppy was gorgeous!

PHChristy: Mowgli, then my work here is done

borzoid: awesome Hope - when are the puppers due

HiHope_nr: THanks Christy

HiHope_nr: May 21st

PHMowgli: Christy your work is never done here LOL

EClatSPs: As soon as I can find someone who can teach me how to train them.

PHChristy: LOL

HiHope_nr: NOW....... if they all have homes will be a GOOD thing I've had 5 families back out. 3 due to working too much ( which I commend them for being realistic and knowing they dont have time for a pup ) and 2 were in too much of a hurry

borzoid: In the beginning of June we should spend a day just looking at everyone's puppy pics - gonna be a busy spring

EClatSPs: I've been searching for a group.

HiHope_nr: Where are you at EClat ?

PHChristy: That is a great idea borzoid

borzoid: I ran into that too Hope

PHMowgli: ha ha borz hopefully by beginning of june I will have 2 litters worth!!

PHChristy: EClat, the poodle people I know who have tried have all found their dogs take to it like, well... ducks to water

EClatSPs: In Missouri.

RedyreRotties: EClat, you show in UKC too?

HiHope_nr: Guess that means those pups arent meant to be for those homes. We should take that as a good sign

EClatSPs:

HiHope_nr: What part of MO ?

borzoid: charge up that camara Mow

EClatSPs: Yep, that's what I hear, too.

EClatSPs: Yes, AKC and UKC.

EClatSPs: Columbia

PHChristy: this is a very nice chat tonight!

PHMowgli: borz I just bought new re-chargeable batteries so I have two sets now

HiHope_nr: Yes it is Christy ! Very good

RedyreRotties: EClat, I showed my puppy this spring, my first try at UKC shows.

HiHope_nr: anywhere near St. Louis ?

borzoid: That's what I need

PHChristy: Hello HA! Welcome to Dog Breeding Chat! Our topic tonight is "What things about your breed need improving, and what do you want to preserve?"

MESAshelties_nr: I have 2 nice litters now

HiHope_nr: lady I call mom is near St. Louis

EClatSPs: My girl is BIS/RBIS U-CH U-CD Jazz It Up II CGC CD

PHChristy: two litters at a time.... EEK!

PHMowgli: mesa got a link to pictures?

EClatSPs: I LOVE UKC shows.

PHChristy: woo hoo EClat!

MESAshelties_nr: no....

HiHope_nr: WOOO HOOO EClat !

MESAshelties_nr: they are just newbies

EClatSPs: About an hour or two out of St Louis

borzoid: wow - what string of titles EClat

PHMowgli: aww Mesa we expects pics next week then!!

MESAshelties_nr: 2 weeks andthe other 5 days

HiHope_nr: I think "mom" is an hour west of St Louis

EClatSPs: Did you like the UKC show, Rottie?

PHChristy: I do like UKC, although they just dont' have the bucks to really give AKC a run for their money

HiHope_nr: She's a heckuva trainer

PHChristy: I wish they did

borzoid: puppy breath

MESAshelties_nr: the sable litter has bee nothing but trouble

EClatSPs: That's probaly pretty close to me, Hope.

HiHope_nr: YUMMMYYY puppy breath ! My silly son thinks it smells like dog poop ! EEEK

HiHope_nr: her addy , i think is on her site too

PHMowgli: I will have puppies I just know it my string of bad luck must end NOW!!

EClatSPs: Could you e-mail me with her info, Hope?

PHChristy: what kills me is that bogus registries and fake paper mills are more competition for AKC than a reputable registry like UKC

HiHope_nr: www.stonebrakerart.com

borzoid: Hi doc

berta: smells like skunk

MESAshelties_nr: the AOAC litter is doing just fine

PHChristy: Hi there doc! Welcome to Dog Breeding Chat! Our topic tonight is "What things about your breed need improving, and what do you want to preserve?"

HiHope_nr: I LOVE puppy breath !

thedoc617: hi everybody

berta: and their feet smell like Fritos

PHMowgli: Mesa how many of each sex and color?

borzoid: LOL

HiHope_nr: It's intoxicating. And has anyone else ever noticed that theire bodys smell heavenly also ?

PHMowgli: hey rebel and doc

HiHope_nr: YUM fritos

PHChristy: Hi REbel! Welcome to Dog Breeding Chat! Our topic tonight is "What things about your breed need improving, and what do you want to preserve?"

borzoid: definitely

MESAshelties_nr: 2 sable females and a male in the 2 week litter

PHChristy: my friend Gina just got a new 8 week old Flat Coated Retriever this week

HiHope_nr: love the flatties

berta: ahhhhhh puppies......

MESAshelties_nr: 2 tri females, 1 blue female, and 2 tri boys in the 5 day old litter

PHMowgli: Oh Christy tell Gina Congrats!!!

EClatSPs: Hope, is that website for the trainer?

HiHope_nr: Yup

HiHope_nr: look under "contact" info

EClatSPs: OK.

PHChristy: http://spadafori.typepad.com/woof/2005/04/puppy_puppy_pup.html

EClatSPs: Thanks.

PHChristy: that is about Gina's new pup

HiHope_nr: I failed to mention that she's an outstanding artist too

PHMowgli: well you got a nice variety there mesa I will get all sables in both of my litters maybe a tri or bi-black

PHChristy: I will Mow!

RedyreRotties: EClat, we had a good time. She was 7 mos and 20 days when we finished. 4 shows, 3 group placements. (2X gr 2, 1 gr 4)

MESAshelties_nr: the AOAC litter is bi factored

berta: Dogs gave up on the chicken and are sleeping

thedoc617: i am going to look at the website, computer may kick me otu- ill brb

borzoid: what a cuties Christy

HiHope_nr: "mom" will be getting one of the pups from this litter. She's been waiting for 2 years for my bitch to have pups of her color

EClatSPs: That's about what Harley did.

PHMowgli: OMG Christy he is adorable!!!

EClatSPs: Our first weekend out, we took a G2 then two G1.

PHChristy: WB Doc

thedoc617: see what I mean...

PHChristy: Mow she's a she

borzoid: wow

PHChristy: named after my mom! McKenzie is my mom's maiden name

EClatSPs: Our second weekend, three G1, RBIS and BIS

RedyreRotties: ECLat I will go back for her grand, but not til she grows up a bit.

PHMowgli: Mesa all mine are b-factored also so possible for a bi

PHChristy: well, folks this is the time we switch to Showdog Chat.... so I will throw the keys to PHMowgli!

borzoid: what is b-factored

PHMowgli: ok Christy I will quit calling her a he LOL

thedoc617: mow, when's your litter due? i bet it's getting close, huh?

PHMowgli: bi-factored borz

EClatSPs: We're trying to find competiton in our breed to go for a grand.

PHMowgli: any day doc

borzoid: duh - ok

berta: BI factored could be black & white only

PHMowgli: Welcome to Show Dog Chat!! Share your Brags!!! Tonights Topic is Stud Dogs!!!

PHMowgli: right berta

berta: Okay I have a show dog question

PHMowgli: great berta

PHChristy: thanks for a wonderful chat tonight, all! I'll see you next week at Breeders Chat! I'm going to slip away and eat my dinner. :)

PHChristy: goodnight and enjoy your chat!