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Transcript: Dog Breeding Chat Tuesday, Feb. 22, 2005: How Ethical Breeders Advertise PHMowgli: Welcome to Breeders Chat!! Tonights Topic how do breeders advertise? berta: Yikes cold wet nose berta: Don't PHMowgli: whodon't berta? tomnikids3: what would be wrong if a breeder is reputable PHMorgan: Breeders don't advertise? berta: Don't advertise my pups PHMorgan: Then how do you find puppy homes? tomnikids3: i found 3 great shih tzus that way. lhczth: I have a website. That is about it. PHMowgli: personally one of my best advertisements are previous puppy sales PHMorgan: Mine too and also my website lhczth: Did advertise a bit on a working dog site when I sold two older puppies. berta: mostly word of mouth............ I don't breed much so it's always worked out PHMowgli: i really don't place pups through my website PHMorgan: Nearly ALL my pupp0y homes come from my website tomnikids3: is the web a reliable way of advertising PHMowgli: usually by the time I update my website with puppies being born they are spoken for LOL PHMorgan: Absolutely. PHMowgli: I am a lazy website keeper berta: I don't have a website :-( but I know people who do that get alot of strange inquiries from theirs' PHMorgan: You just have to screen the folks just like you would through any other advertising medium or even word of mouth. PHMowgli: Welcome to Breeders Chat!! Tonights Topic how do breeders advertise? tomnikids3: i dont trust newspapers ads too much PHMorgan: I certainly get those, too, but there are always folks who get turned away PHMowgli: Howdy Flea!!! PHMorgan: Any advertising is helpful, in my mind, so long as you are able to screen out the folks who aren't suitable lhczth: No newspapers. tomnikids3: puppys never seem to be what is advertised in paper then you wasted a trip PHMowgli: right morgan PHMorgan: I don't use the newspaper because I don't have to, but if I felt I needed some homes, I surely would. And I would also surely expect a lot of unsuitable inquiries PHMowgli: ihc why not newspapers? PHMowgli: often a pet home can come from a newspaper ad lhczth: The type of people that want my puppies don't buy out of the newspaper. PHMorgan: I would agree that often a newspaper is not a good way to FIND a pet, but it's not a bad way to place a pet if you don't mind more calls than you might normally want! tomnikids3: newspapers ads never seem to accurately describe puppies PHMowgli: ah see but some breeds like say a terrier I can see some of the newspapers being used for ads PHMorgan: Hey - when we wanted OUR first pointer, we looked in the newspaper tomnikids3: i like to web, you can see photos and get a chance to call breeder and check the BBB too. PHMorgan: SOmetimes even really good homes just aren't educated about HOW to look for a dog PHMowgli: exactly Morgan when I wanted a collie I started with newspapers and found breeders from there PHMorgan: Altho I think folks are learning that there ARE questions to ask.... PHMorgan: We didn't like the dogs we FOUND in the paper, but it was surely the first place we looked! lhczth: The few pups I have placed in pet homes were by word of mouth. I should say strickly pet homes. berta: The worst thing about newspapers is that if you advertise that you have pups available you CAN be sued if you refuse to sell one to a particular person PHMorgan: I just refuse to give a price until I've talked to the person for a LOOONG time. Then i jack it up PHMowgli: in some newspapers clubs advertise as well as I know we have breed specific ads so they can contact the detroit kennel club and names and numbers PHMorgan: HOw much for the puppy you want to tie to a barrel in your back yard? $2000 PHMorgan: :-D PHMowgli: berta actually you can only be sued if you word it wrong tomnikids3: i think you get a greater variety from a buyers point of view PHMowgli: if you state to approved homes only you are safe if you refuse someone berta: Nope ........ if you say you have pups for sale. It happened to a fellow club member berta: They claimed it was because they were black. PHMowgli: but if you say AKC sammy pups to approved homes only call for more info and list you number then you are safe berta: Fortunately she had a very good friend who is a now a judge that went to court iwth her lhczth: People will sue just to sue. That could probably happen even if you didn't advertise in a newspaper. PHMorgan: OK - so the newspaper is perhaps a dubious medium.... What else are our optoins? PHMowgli: how about those site like puppyfind.com berta: Now she has a deposit of one dollar on each pup and she will tell all callers that she has deposits on all the pups but someone may back out and they are welcome to come meet the parents and pups and she can size them up' PHMowgli: Welcome to Breeders Chat!! Tonights Topic how do breeders advertise? PHMowgli: Hi chilys tomnikids3: word of mouth or the web PHMorgan: I think those listings can be useful. Chilys: Hola! PHMorgan: I get a lot of inquiries from those type of sites berta: Our national site lists breeders who are SCA members' Chilys: I almost didn't come tonight because I get VERY upset by all the puppymill/backyard breeder adds out there PHMorgan: Our breed club has a breeder directory that you can subscribe to - I find this is also very useful lhczth: I am listed on a few approaved breeder sites for raw fed dogs, one for our breed club, and a couple of others. PHMowgli: how about magazines? lhczth: I have gotten a few people from there. PHMorgan: We're talking about advertising for ETHICAL Breeders berta: We also have a site called SamBears that lists breeders who will take contact calls PHMowgli: what mags would be best? PHMorgan: DOes anyone know what the cost is for a Dog Fancy ad? tomnikids3: What is the most ethical way for a reputable breeder to advertise. Chilys: I know, but isn't one of the hardest parts about advertising finding somewhere to do so without the puppymillers? PHMorgan: I don't think there is an UNethical way for a reputable breeder to advertise - it all comes down to being able to screen the homes and refuse the unsuitable one PHMorgan: I don't mind being in with puppy mill folks - that just makes me the "Right choice" PHMorgan: Don't you think? Chilys: That's true but how do people know that? PHMorgan: I'd rather "compete" with them and "rescue" folks from a poor choice if they are willing to ask the right questions and make the right comparisons PHMowgli: I agree Morgan!!!! tomnikids3: I agree too PHMowgli: and I have a question PHMowgli: ok we use hte terms ruputable, responsible, ethical, byb, and pm could someone please give me a definitiion of all these terms so we are all on the same wave length? Chilys: What about when people don't ask the right questions? PHMowgli: chily's I steer them to the questions they should ask plus I also ask them questions that they never dreamed would be asked of them PHMorgan: Then you have to draw them out about their dog-owning knowledge lhczth: Puppy Mill breeds stickly for money. Dog is a cash crop just like cattle. PHMowgli: I agree ihc how about reputable? Chilys: I understand, I just had a bad experience with finding a good breeder PHMowgli: does that mean they have a reputation? is it good or bad? PHMowgli: Welcome to Breeders Chat!! Tonights Topic how do breeders advertise? tomnikids3: yes all mills should be banned and proscuted to the full extent of the law because most just get a slap on the wrist Chilys: I tried to got the "right" route in the beginning and no one would sell me a dog (atleast, not what I was looking for) berta: Reputable is someone who does all the testing and research possible prior to doing a breeding tomnikids3: i must say i did recently find what i think is a good shih tzu breeder after at least 4 months of research and i found her on the web PHMowgli: ah berta so reputable is the same as responsible and ethical Chilys: I felt like I was "forced" to buy a dog from a "bad" breeder when FINALLY after 12 months of searching, I found a good one that would work with me Chilys: If I hadn't held out on my standards, I would have gone to a byb or pm tomnikids3: yes some breeders that wanted to sell me a pup like 6 weeks old that was a RED flag to me Chilys: Like the average pet owner PHMorgan: Good for you, CHilys - what was the problem with some of the other breeders? PHMowgli: lys that is common for people when searching for a dog they say it is very hard to find an ethical breeder PHMorgan: How were you "not suitable"? berta: Unfortuantely it seems the "show" breeders often give a first timer that hard of a time Chilys: Not really their problem-in fact many of them are friends now... PHMowgli: Welcome to Breeders Chat!! Tonights Topic how do breeders advertise? Chilys: I was unsuitable because I was a blonde-haired, blue-eyed, 21 year-old sorority girl that wanted a chihuahua right before "Legally Blonde" came out PHMowgli: hey borz!!! borzoid: HI Mow PHMorgan: CHilys - OMG that is funny berta: OMG well that would give me pause I must admit PHMowgli: lys that is prolly very funny now even to you LOL Chilys: Yeah, but it sucked then! Chilys: I would have GREAT conversations with them over the phone and then when we would go to look, all of a sudden they would just STOP being interested in me PHMorgan: Yeah, I woulda been asking a LOT of questions..... But I don't dismiss folks completely out of hand - often folks aren't well-spoken online, or aren't good on the phone.... Sometimes it takes a few conversations to really know who you are speaking with.... berta: Argghhh Sir is staring at Tally and pissing him off......... geez they're just like kids PHMorgan: And we all know the story of how those great sounding homes turn out to be peopled with psychos who dump dogs the first time they have an accident in the house.... PHMorgan: I always ask about previous dogs ad then just let them YAP AWAY..... YOu find out all kinds of useful information.... LOL Chilys: PS-I am STILL a blonde-haired, blue-eyed, 24 year old and can tell some judges don't know how to take me, LOL! PHMorgan: HOw many of you advertise in your breed magazines? How about specialty show catalogs? PHMowgli: Morgan I find once you ask about their previous dogs and their family they can talk for hours lOL Chilys: I haven't berta: IF they are the type of home you want that is PHMorgan: Yes, and you get a LOT of information borzoid: I had one call saying they had to put their last dog down because of sudden aggresstion and then said whe worried about her other dogs biting and her horse too - can you say red flag tomnikids3: Iyou are so right lhczth: I don't advertise in our breed magazine because their deadline is so far ahead and it is very expensive. lhczth: But I am on their website under approved breeders PHMorgan: I get a lot of calls from folks saying they've tried owning various hunting breeds and couldn't deal with them so want a pointer cause they are calmer.... PHMorgan: What's useful is finding out what HAPPENED to those dogs..... tomnikids3: some breeders questioned or interviewed and that was no problem, the ones that just quoted a price and asked when do you want the pup gave me pause Chilys: I know of a breeder that runs an add on any dogs she has available in the local paper a month or two before our national specialty PHMorgan: Did they keep it? Dump it? Place it? PHMowgli: ihc same here and when I did advertise my pups were gone well before pub time berta: LOL I actuallly had a call asking about getting a pup for the son to train for hunting. I have Samoyeds Chilys: Then encourages callers to come to the show and watch before speaking with them in person PHMowgli: ha ha berta that would give me pause too LOL PHMorgan: I advertise but not litters, just individual dogs so when I do have a litter, folks are familiar..... We have a breed internet list so there's a lot of information sharing there borzoid: I had one who wanted to breed a large uncommon dog but had never even seen a borzoi and talked about how he had bred in the past - had affenpinschers registered to PKC PHMorgan: OH goody borzoid: I hadn't heard of the Pet Kennel Club before then PHMowgli: oh yeah borz tell everyone what PKC Is LOL PHMorgan: I don't get a lot of inquiries from our breed, but folks DO know my dogs... tomnikids3: how do i get info on the PKC lhczth: I do get a lot of referals now from other breeders and then emails from some rather interesting people. borzoid: You can register your pound puppy there Chilys: I got approached as I stood waiting to enter the BOV ring at our Nationals by a young couple who "Like your dog-do you have puppies we can buy?" NO! AND I'M LEAVING BECAUSE I AM SHOWING NOW! Chilys: I wouldn't have helped them if I could with that approach borzoid: You could probably do a search on the web Tom but I would wonder about their criteria PHMowgli: Welcome to Breeders Chat!! Tonights Topic how do breeders advertise? PHMowgli: howdy emme lhczth: I get emails, "we want a puppy next month. Do you have a litter and how much". berta: Oh the ones that want one the end of June because the kids will be home for the next three months borzoid: When my pups were first born I had inquiries up the wazoo but no one would wait and got older dogs elsewhere rather than wait 12 weeks PHMowgli: borz I ran a search and came up empty handed PHMowgli: it could be a made one emmemay_nr: Hi all. Discussing something I have been wrestling with just lately! Chilys: How many of you have heard "We are willing to wait" only to find out the next day that they have found another dog? PHMowgli: berta I get more x-mas puppy calls than june calls PHMowgli: emme about the website like puppyfind and such PHMowgli: we already discussed that and we all agree that they are ok it all depends on the breeders screening process borzoid: could be but sounded fishy and I sent him off to learn about the breed before he bought berta: LOL my last litter I refered three different people to another breeder because they didn't like that my pups weren't 7 weeks old PHMowgli: Lys I have gotten that too put htem on a list and 6 mths later you call and they have an 8 mths old pup berta: The pick boy was 16 weeks before he found the right home PHMowgli: wow where is everyone going? borzoid: something I said? emmemay_nr: I tried to advertise on several of those free lists. Some never let me in. I can honestly say I got maybe 2 emails from those ads. None of them paned out. berta: bouncing? Chilys: I actually had people interested and willing to wait for my girl that was bred in January-now I have three people asking about her puppies-and of course she didn't take! PHMowgli: emme exactly most of those people want a puppy now and they want to use a charge card which is one thing I willnever do Chilys: Two of them I would LOVE to have puppies but don't know if they are willing to wait... PHMowgli: Lys I have 3 buyers that have been waiting over 2 yrs for pups and they are still waiting they won't go elsewhere they want one of mine emmemay_nr: most of the inquireys were lookie loo's. I also think some were other breeders checking me out. borzoid: Good for you Mow. PHMowgli: Welcome to Breeders Chat!! Tonights Topic how do breeders advertise? PHMowgli: wb morgan borzoid: I don't have those kind of connections yet PHMorgan: arg lhczth: Yup, I have a woman now that is going to wait for my next litter no matter how long she must wait. PHMowgli: you will borz once your dogs gets known people are willing to wait for a dog of yours PHMorgan: It takes a while to find those homes.... Even if you are doing everything right, sometimes folks just don't want to wait... Chilys: That's good to hear-I am pretty sure about one of them but I am going to refer the other to one of my mentor's who has some puppies coming up berta: I hate that when that happens I had a friend waiting three years and my bitch kept missing........ finally found her another litter closely related and THEN I got a bitch preggers PHMorgan: YEP emmemay_nr: I guess I don't believe anyone anymore unless they put money down, they can always change their mind. PHMorgan: Sucks PHMowgli: berta I was thinking they were jinxing my girls LOL Chilys: What about before you are known? borzoid: My home for casanova is still wavering - good home but had a bad experience and recently lost a zoi. Kind of gun shy PHMorgan: I don't accept deposits until the bitch is confirmed pregnant lhczth: One of the best forms of advertising are other breeders. PHMorgan: I hate returning them... LOL PHMowgli: emme I have 2 of the pups paid for and they are not even bred yet Chilys: Can I ask an unrelated (to the topic) question regarding breeding? PHMorgan: THat is 100% true. I spend a LOT of time referring folks.... And you know what? Often they come back to ME if they want a 2nd dog.... LOL berta: I don't do deposits at all PHMorgan: Surely Chilys: I am having second thoughts on if my bitch is pregnant or not borzoid: I was ready to put a deposit down in advance of a breeding but now am glad I didn't. PHMorgan: How far along is she? PHMowgli: normally I don't berta but they insisted I have checks made out to me for full purchase price I just never cashed them LOL Chilys: That's the thing, she would be around 48 days today PHMorgan: And how did you confirm to begin with? Details, Chily, details! PHMorgan: :-) lhczth: I recommend only a few breeders in this country and those same breeders have sent people to me. Chilys: My vet palpated her at 26 days and said "no puppies" berta: I did that when I placed an older pup once. Told them I'd hold it for 2 weeks to see if he stuck. Chilys: She isn't showing... Chilys: And I figured she wasn't borzoid: Are you going to have an ultrasound? PHMowgli: ihc I am pretty much the same way I will recommend a breederonce I got to know them but otherwise I will say I know they breed ut the buyer must check them out as I am not really familiar with their breeding practices PHMorgan: And what made you think she is or isn't? PHMorgan: I say much the same, Mow lhczth: Bad mouthing another breeder makes you look bad instead of that breeder. Chilys: but now three days ago she threw up in the morning and then last night I was able to express a tiny drop of milk from two of her teats PHMorgan: Absolutely lhczth: I just tell people that I am not familiar with them or their dogs. PHMorgan: That means nothing, Chilys.... Can you get an ultrasound? YOu really need to know what is going on so you know how to feed her berta: Oh Chilys don't trust that. A friend had a sonagram on her bitch and they told ehr no pups. I talked ehr out of getting her spayed and she whelped two pups on the livingroom carpet PHMowgli: right ihc but to rave a breeder if you never visted them is just as bad or worse borzoid: I hate it when someone comes to me saying they've had a bad experience - You don't really want to confirm or deny Chilys: What about an xray? Chilys: And she really hasn't gained any weight PHMowgli: lys I won't x-ray till after 50 days PHMorgan: Here's the thing, Chilys - dogs are different than humans.... No matter whether they are pregnant or not, dogs secrete hormones after a season that causes some milk production and can even have contractions and try to nurse pups... PHMowgli: Welcome to Breeders Chat!! Tonights Topic how do breeders advertise? PHMowgli: hey lilwheezy PHMorgan: So she could be preggers, or she could be having a false pregnancy lilwheezy20_nr: hi Chilys: That's what I was thinking-false pregnancy PHMorgan: YOu can x-ray in a week or so if you really think she might be lilwheezy20_nr: how everyone tonight PHMorgan: Or if you really don't feel like you know for sure PHMorgan: BRB _ Beagle has to potty PHMowgli: ah but lys I had a false pregnancy that resulted in 4 pups once LOL borzoid: Chasm didn't start showing until real late and she was carrying 8 lilwheezy20_nr: morgan hu lilwheezy20_nr: hi Chilys: I have had her through 3 heat cycles and never noticed these symptoms PHMowgli: and there was no way she could be preggers I was out of town for a dog show and did not breed her LOL PHMowgli: she never gained weight Chilys: ! Chilys: Really? PHMowgli: but come jan 17th my baby bry was born along with her 3 littermates LOL Chilys: How late is late? borzoid: ultrasound would be the best way to know for sure - it's not 100% but worth the try PHMowgli: while I was gone she was put out with a male and guess what??? she got preggo LOL Chilys: meaning when did she show? PHMowgli: she never showed lys Chilys: Wow! PHMowgli: her pups were small and she just carried them well borzoid: You almost couldn't tell until 2 weeks prior and then she balooned up berta: When Banshee was bred the first time she had one pups and didn't look preg at all PHMowgli: I did not know I was having pups till they were born LOL PHMorgan: I've had a lot of bitches who didnt show much until later.... EVen with large litters.... one didn't show until she was nearly 7 weeks and she had 8 PHMowgli: oh my singleton litter I swear I had a litter of 8 pups mokey got so huge LOL berta: Repeat breeding ...... her breeder calls two weeks prior to the whelping date asks if she looks more preg this time I told her no Chilys: Well, we will find out in the next few weeks-her last breeding day was January 1 so we're at week 7 right now borzoid: what have you been feeding her berta: A week later I called and told her everything went south she difinitely is having more than one........... she had 11 Chilys: Bert-that is just what I told the stud's breeder! Chilys: We just spoke the other day about trying again Chilys: Bert-A SORRY! berta: actually it is bert............ I had to add an a to join the list PHMorgan: Chilys - you definitely need to get some kind of definite yes or no - CHihuahuas are a toy breed and known for sections.... YOu wanna know what is going on.... LOL PHMorgan: OMG that is funny bert borzoid: and if she is preggers she needs to be on the right diet for it Chilys: That is what I am worried about-it is very unlikely that I will just find out that she was pregnant and the vet needs to know for a section berta: The only place I noticed a change with Banshee was her waist from looking down on her berta: she looked thicker.............. from the side she looked normal borzoid: same with Chasm PHMowgli: with squeeker nothing she had a waist she was in great shape but I must admit I was feeding puppy food at the time to all dogs cause I got a deal on it LOL so she was on puppy food LOL PHMorgan: Z has had 2 large litters. Now when she is 2 months out of season she just looks a bit thick anyhow... LOL She likes to make me worry. PHMowgli: morgan sounds like my old retired girls LOL Chilys: My dogs are on an organic kibble and human quality canned food with cottage cheese and tuna fish in vegetable oil diet regularly-what else should I be feeding her? berta: Raw..........lol PHMorgan: That sounds absoluately fine, Chilys, but if she IS preggers, you might want to be feeding MORE PHMorgan: Has her appetite increased (also a dubious sign, but...) borzoid: The cottage cheeze will take care of the calcium needs - just don't overdo it berta: Actually egss are excellent protein borzoid: cheese* Chilys: I know, I know-that is the next step once we get to a house instead of an apartment-no space in here! berta: LOL oops eggs PHMowgli: mine like dannon fruit on the bottom yogurt LOL PHMorgan: I feed a TON of hardboiled eggs to expecting moms. one every day or every other day PHMorgan: Mine, too, Mow! Chilys: They do get hard boiled egg yolk about twice a week-I will boil some up tonight! borzoid: Mine was on puppy food, raw chicken and cottage cheese Chilys: And share my yogurt with me every morning... borzoid: she had some big pups Chilys: HA! I have been feeding them like their both pregnant-it a wonder my BOY don't look like he is at 7 weeks! PHMowgli: Welcome to Breeders Chat!! Tonights Topic how do breeders advertise? PHMowgli: hey seawind Chilys: Thanks for the suggestions! PHMorgan: PUppy food is a good chioce because of the added vitamins and fat, but so long as you are providing an extra protein source, most reasonable diets are fine seawindbt: hello Chilys: I mix three kibbles and one is puppy food... seawindbt: are we discussing kibbles? borzoid: feeding for pregnancy Chilys: No, sorry! I went on a tangent PHMowgli: actually we are suppoesd to be discussing advertising but we got off track LOL PHMorgan: Actually our topic is Advertising for Ethical breeders, but Chilys had a question... seawindbt: :) PHMorgan: YOu know us, meandering around our topic... LOL Chilys: What about the boards you see in vet's offices and groomer's? PHMowgli: which is the reason why you keep coming back LOL PHMorgan: PErsonally, I like the cardboard box by the yardsale form of advertising. How about you guys? Chilys: I see lots of chihuahua breeders and hunting dog breeders in my area-what a mix! borzoid: LOL - it is free PHMowgli: chily's like morgan has said pretty much any thing is ok if you screenthe buyers PHMowgli: except the box at the garage sale LOL PHMorgan: No? PHMorgan: No box at teh yardsale? PHMorgan: I had pups in an expen once during a yardsale for socialization. COulda sold them all 6x over.... LOL borzoid: In my breed if you put an ad "anywhere" - rescue is checking you out. PHMowgli: sorry morgan they tend to think the puppies price is negotiable then LOL seawindbt: yes PHMorgan: Your Rescue is the Breeder Police, Borzoid? Chilys: I had a guy offer to LET me buy a poor little wormy puppy outside the grocery store the other night Chilys: for $100! PHMorgan: Wasn't that kind of him PHMowgli: lys yes walmart parking lot sales is that a good way? borzoid: sort of - I work with them too - but the way they go over every ad they find is scary Chilys: My boyfriend had to drag me into the store seawindbt: I get tons of inquiries from my web site (and I don't advertise pups for sale on it) PHMorgan: Yeah - let's all hang out at Walmart with our pups. And EBAY - man that's a useful venue PHMowgli: borz that is scary borzoid: what is your breed sea Chilys: How many of those do you actually find are good potential homes for your dogs seawindbt? seawindbt: bullies PHMowgli: morgan I thought e-by banned puppy sales? berta: sir needs some lovin borzoid: I guess it serves a purpose PHMorgan: WE spent a LOT of time designing a rescue program which DOES NOT function as the Breeder Police. Even tho they don't really do the job, the Breed Club is supposed to be the Breeder Police.. But THAT is definitey a topic for another night seawindbt: well, I was getting so many inquires so I made a puppy interview for and put it on there borzoid: There is a new auction site that auctions animals and animal supplies - they tried to get me to advertise my website there PHMorgan: They did, Mow, but some folks are still doing it sometimes seawindbt: I've actually referred several folks to others. . . some really nice homes berta: slow tpyping one handed PHMowgli: oh wow I did not know that morgan Chilys: That is great seawindbt! seawindbt: i meant FORM, sorry PHMowgli: seawind the egg shape headed dogs? seawindbt: yes Chilys: I understood...I used to house-sit for a Bullie Breeder, they are such clowns! PHMorgan: OH! I was thinking bullmastiffs seawindbt: love that description PHMorgan: LOL berta: std or mini PHMowgli: ok just wanted to make sure PHMowgli: sorry seawind but that i the best way I can describe it LOL Chilys: STRONG though, I was afraid to walk them outside of their fenced-in yard! PHMorgan: OK so I think we are agreed - the only BAD way to advertise is one that prevents you from screening your homes... Otherwise, anything else is fair game! seawindbt: well, I've only bred my standard girl but I am on a wait list to get a mini show girl for several years PHMowgli: see morgan I clarified it for you though LOL PHMowgli: seawind we have host here who just got a show girl from australia Chilys: So WHAT do you put in let's say a newspaper add to convay that you are a GOOD breeder! PHMowgli: nope not australia thailand Chilys: ? not ! PHMorgan: I would not use any "special" terms except to insure you can refuse homes. YOu can just screen them as they call seawindbt: I've been on a list there also for two years. . . two kennels there. And two here in US. But right now there are TWO confirmed litters on the way, so I might finally get my girl soon! seawindbt: very exciting PHMowgli: congrats seawind Chilys: WAY exciting! PHMowgli: lys I am not sure there is a form of ad to use Chilys: I'm right there with you-waiting for a special girl for almost two years now... PHMowgli: but I think adoption and approved homes are key points to mention rather than for sale seawindbt: someone got a mini from Thailand? or australia? seawindbt: I know several breeders in Australia PHMowgli: thailand seawind PHMowgli: Welcome to Breeders Chat!! Tonights Topic how do breeders advertise? PHMowgli: WB emme Chilys: But people thing adoption means "free" don't they? PHMowgli: well kids everyone know what time it is??? PHMowgli: no lys PHMowgli: Welcome to Show Dog Chat!!!! Chilys: Thanks for answering my "other" questions tonight! I will let you know if my girl decides to have puppies or not! PHMowgli: thanks lys berta: From PA PHMowgli: we have no topic for tonight I chose to have it open as we start our special chats next week PHMowgli: Welcome to Show Dog Chat!!!! PHMowgli: hey keebler PHMorgan: Night Guys
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