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PHChristy: Welcome to Dog Breeding Chat! Our topic tonight is the Care and Training of Stud Dogs!

PHChristy: My dog would like to say that he has had enough training, he's ready for the real thing *G*

PHChristy: woo woo

PHMowgli: Great I have a stud dog in the house who thinks he iis a baby and he is dieing

PHChristy: yeah? let a sexy bitch walk by and he'll forget all about it *G*

PHMowgli: ha ha christy my boys are too much gentleman to do that!!!

PHChristy: LOL

parakeet: :)

PHChristy: Morgan!!!

PHChristy: Welcome to Dog Breeding Chat! Our topic tonight is the Care and Training of Stud Dogs!

PHMowgli: Arooo Morgan!!!

PHMorgan: Haroo folks

parakeet: why is my teachers dog mounting me?? I would Like it To STOP!

PHChristy: so folks, what kind of dogs do you each have?

PHChristy: I have Scottish Deerhounds

PHMorgan: Keet - is this is CLASS? What teacher?

TanBrae: Labradors and a Welsh springer Spaniel.

PHMowgli: shelties here

waterdownzoo_nr: Labradors and Yorkies

parakeet: homeschool-(taught by friend)

parakeet: its getting annoying

PHChristy: TanBrae, I thought you'd have Scottish dogs of some kind with that name *G*

PHMowgli: keet you must be in heat LOL

TanBrae: LOL

PHChristy: of course, I think everyone should have Scottish dogs ;)

parakeet: loil

PHMorgan: Keet - what breed is this?

TanBrae: I'm Scotch/Irish!

parakeet: and the worse thing is this is a FEMALE DOG

PHMowgli: christy well shelties are from scotland and ireland so we count

parakeet: she must be lesbian

PHMorgan: Do you go to this person's house or do they come to yours?

parakeet: Golden Retriever

TanBrae: It's a bitch who is mounting you?

parakeet: i go to the persons house

parakeet: yep

PHChristy: so, are Labs generally good stud dogs, or are some of them slow learners?

PHMowgli: aren't all labs slow?

TanBrae: Depends on the owner.

TanBrae: LMBO

PHChristy: TanBrae, LOL

PHChristy: waterdown, do you breed Yorkies?

waterdownzoo_nr: No - rescues from that breed

PHMorgan: Parakeet - first of all, I don't think it would be untoward of you to ask the person to shut the dog up when you are there, but also I would tell the dog OFF in a firm voice and push her away

PHChristy: I was curious how toys are as studs....

PHMorgan: That should not be allowed

waterdownzoo_nr: I own my first 'stud' dog in Labs - he hasn't been used yet.

parakeet: okay!

TanBrae: I should add that I am not a "breeder" per se.

PHChristy: my boy here has never been used, and won't ever be as he turned out to have a genetic kidney defect... I'm SO glad he was not used before it was discovered!

TanBrae: My 15 yr. old male was used three times. Produced two litters.

PHChristy: TanBrae, I understand....

parakeet: they people don't see it as "humping" if you will they see it as "playing" or wresiling

parakeet: wrestleing*

TanBrae: Lucky you. The litter I bred turned out to be a breeder's nightmare.

PHChristy: well, it IS playing or wrestling, but it's still not OK

PHChristy: TanBrae, what happened?

parakeet: I KNOW!

TanBrae: Epilepsy, hernias, eyes, OCD.

waterdownzoo_nr: Be a bit careful, Parakeet. If it is dominance humping and you challenge her, you could get into a bit of a struggle.

PHMorgan: None of my boys have been used yet, but my little man Duncan has a potential date..... He is very happy about this prospect and has been practiciing on his sister & mother which is not going well for him

parakeet: I dont see y they can'r see what shes doing

TanBrae: I DID my homework, it is just that if anybody knew anything "bad" about the pedigrees they weren't talking.

TanBrae: So, I'm still trying to learn.

PHMorgan: Parakeet - If the dog won't leave you alone, you are perfectly justified in making it clear to the person that you do not WANT the dog to hump you OR wrestle with you and ask them to make the dog stop

PHChristy: Secrecy destroys breeds

TanBrae: How old is this golden?

parakeet: 4

PHChristy: I'm a big mouth blabber about dog health problems

TanBrae: PHChristy, that is darn right!

PHMorgan: Hi, Berta!

PHChristy: hi berta! Welcome to Dog Breeding Chat! Our topic tonight is the Care and Training of Stud Dogs!

berta: Good evening all

PHChristy: Morgan, his mom and sister not going with the program LOL?

TanBrae: Do you know if she does the humping to others?

berta: Got no stud dogs here

parakeet: okay-and what is everyones opinion on the dog food benniful?(typo)

PHMorgan: No, they are not into Duncan's practice at ALL

PHMorgan: Not that he's deterred....

berta: this doesn't sound like stud dog stuff

PHMorgan: Parakeet - I'm not all that keen on that food, altho I know of several dogs on it who have decent muscle tone and coat

parakeet: that same golden..seems to be itching because of it

PHMowgli: hey berta brb everyone

PHMorgan: That's not surprising - I think it has a lot of corn in it - many goldens do NOT do well on a corn diet

PHChristy: Beneful is a marketing gimmick, not a food

PHChristy: all the thought and research and creativity went into the packaging and the ad campaign

TanBrae: Those of you who do have stud dogs, do you let your dog tell you when the bitch is ready, or do you do progesterone testing?

berta: Both

PHMorgan: I think it's useful to do both, but a good stud dog will know when the time is right..... Hard to say if the dog is young and inexperienced

PHChristy: TanBrae, I do both

PHChristy: I'm a huge, huge believer in progesterone testing

PHChristy: I think knowing EXACTLY when your bitch ovulated is invaluable knowledge

TanBrae: If your dog has been used much, do you generally trust his judgement, and still test?

PHChristy: TanBrae, I don't test to know when to do the breeding, I test to know when she ovulates

PHMorgan: I think it's more useful to know when the bitch is ovulating so that you know more clearly when pups are due, as well

berta: Tally has it down to about three days ...... he's cool before and after those days. Sir is an idiot, young but an idiot who hopefully will get smarter

TanBrae: PHChristy, I think so, too.

PHChristy: they can be bred within a two week window of ovulation and still conceive... leaving us pretty much SOL in trying to figure out when the bitch is REALLY due

PHChristy: since whelping date is from OVULATION, not from breeding

TanBrae: That's why I would test, is to know closer to the date for whelping.

PHChristy: however, I do find it's valuable to have a stud who knows when the girls are ready

PHMorgan: However, my philosphy is that if the bitch is there, and the breeding isn't difficult (everyone cooperating) just let them enjoy the gifts nature has given them.... LOL

PHChristy: for management reasons

PHChristy: Morgan, I couldn't agree more!

PHMorgan: Testing is more useful for whelping than for breeding....

TanBrae: Our trouble is, where I'm located, we don't have easy access to vets who do the tests and know how to read them well.

PHChristy: LOL, which does make for a boring chat, I know

PHChristy: TanBrae, I force them *G*

TanBrae: LMBO

PHMorgan: However, if the dog is uninterested and you KNOW the bitch is ready - you also know there is something amiss with either the dog or the bitch

PHMorgan: I know of several stud dogs who refused to breed bitches who were harboring infection OR had low thyroid

PHMorgan: Despite testing, they would not cooperate and later it was discovered that something wasn't quite right with their potential sweetie.... LOL

TanBrae: PHMorgan, ah ha!

TanBrae: I was to the vet with a friend Sunday.

PHMorgan: I think it's also useful to have a sperm check done on your stud dog before he is bred. This way, if the bitch misses despite progesterone testing, you know that the fault does not lie with your stud dog

TanBrae: Her bitch had been bred about two and half weeks ago.

TanBrae: Bitch was running a temp and not eating.

TanBrae: She ended up with a pyo.

berta: Not good

TanBrae: They had done AI's on her as the male appeared not very interested.

PHMorgan: A missed breeding can be tough on a dog's reputation and it's useful to know ahead of time that all is well with him.

PHMorgan: Did they spay her? Or was she treated?

PHMorgan: Hi, Pat

TanBrae: Spayed. She had about 5 lbs of pus in her!

parakeet: well im in to many chats--im gonna narrow it down..thanks for all the help and i will try to get the bitch for mounting!

parakeet: from*

PHChristy: hi pat! Welcome to Dog Breeding Chat! Our topic tonight is the Care and Training of Stud Dogs!

PHMorgan: OMG how lucky they discovered this! Poor little girl

parakeet: bye all

TanBrae: But, we wondered why the dog didn't seem to be too interested when they knew she was ready.

PHChristy: holy cow, I'd guess so, Tan!

PHMorgan: I'm sure she didn't smell right to him AT ALL! Poor girl

patmc_nr: Hi from Pat. We raise and show Schipperkes and Belgian Tervurens

TanBrae: Do you think she could have been starting a pyo then???

PHChristy: pat, fantastic breeds!

TanBrae: Pat, do you know Anduin Tervs?

PHChristy: I know some Tervs, but how are Skips as stud dogs? Do they tend to breed easily or do they need some encouragement?

PHMowgli: back

PHMorgan: Hooray!

PHChristy: WB Mowgli

berta: about time

PHChristy: so Mow, how are Shelties mostly as stud dogs?

PHMorgan: Now that MOw is here, we can pass around the cheesecake

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patmc_nr: No, the Tervs are my daughters mostly

PHMowgli: shelties are easy breeders they will breed easily

PHMowgli: boys just mount and 10 min later they walk away

berta: I just had chocolate milk don't think they go well together

PHMorgan: Pointers are extremely enthusiastic.... Altho generally they are polite, as well

PHMowgli: I am ready for cheesecake I even got a fresh cup of coffee

TanBrae: Yum!

PHMowgli: sheltie are rude wham bam thank ya maam

PHMorgan: That's good - it is chocolate swirl cheese cake

PHChristy: LOL MOw

TanBrae: Mowgli, tell me, please, do you have to hold or tie back the hair on the bitch when breeding?

PHMowgli: no regard for the girls feelings they won't even snuggle and converse afterward

patmc_nr: A friend of mine has her boy trained to a special rug. When she brings it out, he's knows it's time for business.

PHMorgan: Pointer boys like to suck up first. They give kisses and prance around, looking all manly and silly

PHMowgli: tan brae no I do not

PHChristy: so Morgan, do you find that cheesecake improves their performance, or just the sperm count?

TanBrae: Pat, I know Papillion breeders who do that.

TanBrae: Mowgli, I just wondered because of all that hair.

PHMorgan: Well, it's certainly good for coat and skin..... LOL

PHChristy: poor Waterdown!

TanBrae: Possibly getting caught or wrapped around the penis.

PHMorgan: Rummaging for duct tape to keep waterdown in the room

PHMowgli: my boys if they see a playtex nurser go loonie as that isis what I use to collect for AI each liner is sterile

TanBrae: WB Waterdown!

PHChristy: :::::::spraying crazy glue on Waterdownzoo:::::::::

PHChristy: ooops too late

TanBrae: LMBO

PHMorgan: Rats

PHMowgli: tanbrae actually a girls butt fluff is not very long just thick

TanBrae: Okay, I used a nurser liner on my boy.

PHMorgan: I must run Tucker up to the vet tomorrow - I just found a weird lump on his testicle

TanBrae: NOT a good thing!

PHMowgli: oh no morgan I will send you glows

TanBrae: Mowgli, I see. Thanks! I was just wondering...

PHMorgan: THanks. He's a bit young for cancer, but who knows?

TanBrae: Anyway, that liner made him bleed.

PHChristy: Morgan, I had that on a dog of mine once, it was nothing...

TanBrae: Is that lump soft or hard???

PHMowgli: if you just brush it to side before the boy gets near they do very well

PHMowgli: tan brae what breed? and which liner?

TanBrae: Lab. I used a "large"?

PHMorgan: It feels just like th rest of the testicle - kinda like a rubber ball.... LOL

berta: pretty much the same for Sammies. the boys flirt alot before they get down to business.

PHMowgli: do not use the drop in's use the folded ones

patmc_nr: We just use baggies for AI since we turn right around and put it in the bitch

TanBrae: The next time, I turned it inside out. Seems like there was a seam or something and that seam was rough.

PHChristy: Morgan, that's exactly what my dog's was, it was an ingrown hair!

PHMowgli: the drop in's will get stuck on a large breed male

PHMorgan: Poor little man

TanBrae: Morgan, good luck!

PHChristy: and the thing was enormous and rubbery and felt like a rubbery marble under his scrotal skin

PHMorgan: Tucker has no hair on his, so I doubt it's that - and it's too large - it's nearly the size of a grape

TanBrae: Christy, that's what I was wondering, too. Ingrown hair.

PHChristy: didn't at all feel like it was ON the skin

PHChristy: his didn't have hair either

PHChristy: it was a mutant hair LOL

PHMorgan: But we'll see

TanBrae: LOL

PHMowgli: pat the playtex nursers are great cause they are sterile but only good for small dogs LOL

PHChristy: and his was bigger than a grape

PHMorgan: He was er.... chewed on by some pups a few months ago and it might be scar tissue

TanBrae: Aaahhh.

TanBrae: Could be.

PHMowgli: large dogs will they swell too much and the nurser will get stuck on them!!!

TanBrae: Oh, I know about that!

TanBrae: Scared the beegeebers out of me!

PHMowgli: Morgan this is the same boy who had the issue a few mths ago?

PHMorgan: LOL

PHMorgan: What issue?

PHMowgli: the penis biting issue?

PHMorgan: Oh - no, completely different dog

PHMowgli: oh good

PHMorgan: The boy who was er... really mauled is in a pet home in Rhode Island - he's also the same boy who had appendicitis

PHMorgan: And he's doing great..... LOL

TanBrae: Care for a breeding story?

PHMowgli: well that is good news

PHMorgan: Tuck actually was at his coowners when this happened

PHChristy: go for it, Tan!

PHMorgan: Sure, Tan - go for it

berta: didn't know dogs had appendics

TanBrae: LOL.

PHMorgan: Christ - stop reading my mind - that is Mow's job

TanBrae: Well, I was helping a friend with her miniature schnauzers.

PHMorgan: Berta - neither did I or my Vet! LOL

TanBrae: The male had been used only once. The bitch was maiden.

TanBrae: She wasn't very receptive, but we wanted to at least get the male cleaned out.

TanBrae: So, we let him try.

PHMowgli: when tan is done I have a stud dog story do that is hilarious

TanBrae: I suggested if nothing else, we could AI her.

TanBrae: He's working his darndest at it, but isn't really getting anything done.

TanBrae: I was trying to direct him because the bitch was a bit taller than he.

TanBrae: "Thought" we hit the target, but nooooo.

TanBrae: He got an outside tie.

TanBrae: So, no problem, he's cleaned out now, right?

TanBrae: But, his swelling didn't go down, didn't go down.

PHChristy: <---wondering if human men ever call it "an outside tie" LOL

TanBrae: I'm getting concerned, so we put a cold, wet cloth on him.

TanBrae: LMBO

TanBrae: 45 mins. later, he's still out!

TanBrae: Called the vet, who told us to walk him around a bit.

PHChristy: LOL

PHChristy: yeah, that's gonna work?

TanBrae: Give him half an hour. I said it had already been 45 mins.

TanBrae: So, called another vet who suggested we try KY.

berta: Been there

TanBrae: I had already done that.

PHMorgan: I find outside ties a good cure for adolescent male idiot boys....

TanBrae: So, an hour and 15 mins later, we call another vet.

TanBrae: This one said to bring the dog in.

PHChristy: OMG

patmc_nr: What is an outside tie?

TanBrae: That vet was almost an hour away.

PHMorgan: THey dont' enjoy being stuck like that more than once and usually stop being so er... amorous with folks who aren't in season

PHChristy: ejaculation outside the bitch, pat

berta: There is an easy way to fix it

TanBrae: So, that poor dog had been out for almost two and 1/2 hours before we got to the vet.

patmc_nr: Ah, we call that a miss. LOL

PHChristy: it's not a tie at all, in other words *G*

PHMorgan: And what Tan is describing is the penis out of the sheath for a long period of time, which is VERY uncomfortable for him

TanBrae: He gave him an injection to put him under.

berta: OMG !!

PHChristy: poor little stud pup!

TanBrae: Took hold of that penis and sssstttrrrrrrretched it WAAAAAAYYYYY out!

TanBrae: I could NOT believe how long that sucker stretched!

PHMorgan: (cringing)

patmc_nr: OW

PHChristy: <---rolling on the floor but cringing in sympathy too

PHMorgan: yeow

TanBrae: Anyway, he sort of folded it over and pushed on the Os Penis and popped it back in.

PHMorgan: Oh dear poor dog

PHMorgan: Did you ever get the breeding?

PHMowgli: I am laughing and feeling sympathy at the same time

TanBrae: When he got it in, he said that there was some sort of restriction in his sheath.

PHMorgan: Oh dear

TanBrae: Nope, bitch didn't take. We gave him a day to "cure" and tried with an AI.

PHMowgli: oh my

PHChristy: what was wrong with his sheath?

TanBrae: They took him to a repro specialist who said that he has a crooked penis, AND a restriction!

TanBrae: He is no longer a "He".

PHMorgan: Poor guy

PHMowgli: oh poor baby

TanBrae: I'm telling you, that was almost enough to put me off doing studs.

PHMorgan: Mow - I hope your story isn't as painful

PHMowgli: mine is just funny

PHMowgli: here goes

PHChristy: oh good

PHMowgli: We had a maidden bitch come to be bred, the male we decided on to use was a non-proven boy from excellent producing lines, he took one look at this strange bitch and ran away, jumped the fence got into his crate and screamed like somone was trying to kill him, needless to say we did it AI had 6 gorgeous puppies but blue would never breed natural to an outside bitch, he was such a big crybaby.

PHChristy: ROFL

TanBrae: LMBO

PHMorgan: OMg that is hilarious

PHChristy: he said but... but... but... she's a BITCH!

PHChristy: she looked at me mean!

PHChristy: waaaaaaaaaah!

PHMowgli: he was afraid of a bitch in standing heat!!!

TanBrae: Wonder what he "saw" in her that he didn't like!

PHChristy: LOL

PHMorgan: Boys are such babies

TanBrae: Yep.

TanBrae: LOL

berta: Tally is too

patmc_nr: I have a funny breeding story

PHMowgli: Tan he did not like any outside girls only those we had here

PHMorgan: Altho I suspect Tucker will be a serious rapist

PHChristy: go for it, pat!

TanBrae: I knew a horse who was like that!

PHMorgan: When he's allowed out with girls who have been in season he is ON THEM in seconds

TanBrae: Nope, you don't live her, therefore, you don't get any.

PHMorgan: Usually much to his detriment

berta: He's so afraid of his sister when she's in season he goes near a bitch in season only in desperation

PHMorgan: But still, he tries

PHMowgli: Morgan that is my Merlin the guy in the house with a hurt paw right now which is good caus eI have girls in heat now too LOL

TanBrae: Did he get nailed good when he was younger?

TanBrae: Pat, what is your story?

PHMowgli: hi newdog

PHChristy: hi newdog! Welcome to Dog Breeding Chat! Our topic tonight is the Care and Training of Stud Dogs!

PHMorgan: Hiya, new

newdog_nr: Does anyone own a Pitbull?

TanBrae: Hi newdog.

newdog_nr: Hi Everyone!

berta: Who Tally? yeah by his sister and sticking his nose where it shouldn't have been

patmc_nr: We had a young stud and we also had our foundation bitch. We were showing the two at the same time. She came into season and he 'knew; she was his. He was such a gentleman, he took such care of her, was so protective. He didn't know she wasn't to be his. We met her bridegroom at a show and took her to their room to breed her. When we came back with her, he smelled her as soon as we came in and just cried. Have you ever heard a dog cry?

PHMowgli: Merlin and his brother Donovan got in a stud fight today over their grandma whom they are not breeding

PHMorgan: HOw many of you have your incoming bitches Bordatella test done at YOUR vet??? Or do you have them do it before they come?

PHChristy: I have them do it before I come

PHChristy: before THEY come

PHMowgli: at my vet morgan!!! I do not trust them to be accurate and current otherwise

TanBrae: Awe, Pat. Never heard a dog cry...

PHChristy: boy I don't know

PHChristy: pat that story is SAD!

TanBrae: Anybody else have a false positive on a Bordatella?

PHMowgli: I had a problem a few years ago from a person changing dates on test form

newdog_nr: Does anyone own a Pit bull or know of anyone who does... I have a copule of questions. Interested in getting one, but there has been some bad press!

PHChristy: Tan, never have you?

PHMorgan: I coown a bitch named Rose and she is IN LOVE with our friend's pointer, COtton. She is so sure that HE is teh ONE for her.... When he is staying with the friend she will boing beside the fence and SING to him from the other dog paddock

TanBrae: Yes. Scared me to death!

PHMorgan: I might be able to answer some questions, New

PHChristy: newdog, I've had a pit.... what are your questions?

PHMowgli: not me tan

PHMorgan: Tan - I've seen it quite a few times

patmc_nr: He cried, he was pitiful. She skipped a sreason, then on her next season, he got into the yard with her and nailed her. We stood in the yard with two tied dogs for 45 min. People were driving by, pointing and laughing. She had 6 pups though.

PHChristy: ROFL pat

PHChristy: a happy ending!

TanBrae: Nice pups, Pat?

PHMorgan: A lot of other infections can cause a false positive

PHChristy: true love conquers all

TanBrae: Happy ending for HIM!

PHChristy: LOL

PHChristy: I'm rooting for him

TanBrae: Morgan, we found out he had psuedomonas.

PHChristy: he's the underdog

PHChristy: I"m a sucker

patmc_nr: Oh yes, we still have one girl from that match. A spayed pet by now.

newdog_nr: Well I live in VA and we have had 2 bitings in the past week.. However my sister in law pits have just had pups and they are so cute, but we have two cats and I'm scared they are going to get eaten later in life

PHMowgli: Well pat sometimes the dogs just know a good mating when they see one

PHMorgan: We've explained to Rose taht she is NOT getting COtton, but she said she really really wants him..... LOL

berta: Boratella.......... kennel cough? Didn't know there was a test for it

newdog_nr: or when I have kids my kids will get eaten b/c they pits won't be used to them??

PHMorgan: Pit bulls are usually not very good with cats

PHChristy: newdog, ANY dog can hurt cats, and terriers are worse than others. It's a valid concern.

PHMorgan: And if you've not had a dog before, a pit bull is often not a good choice

TanBrae: Or, are you talking about Brucellosis?

PHMorgan: they are a LOT of dog

PHMorgan: Berta - yes, Brucellosis - brain freeze tonight

TanBrae: Guess that's what[b] I[/b] meant!

PHMorgan: DUH

PHChristy: newdog, pits are generally angelic with children BUT... badly bred dogs of any breed can be dangerous, and no child should EVER be left unsupervised with ANY dog

PHMowgli: I thought morgan meatn brucellosis

PHMowgli: sorry berta you gotta read minds here LOL

PHChristy: newdog, is your sister a serious and knowledgeable and expert breeder of pit bulls, or just someone who let her dogs have a litter?

berta: tired tonight long day had a seminar tonite

PHMowgli: oh was it good?

patmc_nr: Someone told me that if your bitch test positive for brucellosis, the vet can order all your dogs destroyed. Doesn't sound reasonable to me.

PHMorgan: THey can also be quite destructive altho they are very comical and fun dogs, as well. Just not for the faint of heart

TanBrae: I had somebody stop and ask to use my dog on her bitch. I really tried to deter her. Told her my requirements. She said she didn't know dogs could get brucellosis, but that their vet was coming to check their pigs for it, so he could do the test then!

newdog_nr: my husbad has his heart set on these two dogs... sister an brother... but I'm scared to death that I'm going to come home and my cats will be gone!!! She someone who just has two and they had more!

PHChristy: does she show her dogs, or take them to obedience or pulling trials, or do therapy dog work or search and rescue with them? that's what I mean by serious and expert.

berta: boring just sitting there I'd rather be a doer not a looker

PHMorgan: Pat - the vet cannot do that, but if you should have a true brucellosis, it is quite contagious and will likely sterilize your entire kennel

PHChristy: newdog, under no circumstances would I ever recommend ANYONE get a carelessly bred pit bull

PHChristy: there are too many idiots and jerks out there, and if you aren't dealing with a breeder who has in depth expert knowledge of temparament in her dogs' pedigrees, you can't know what you are getting

TanBrae: Pat, dogs can get brucellosis by sniffing urine of dogs who have it. You can bring it home on your shoes.

PHMorgan: Which is why one should always test for it before doing a breeding. It can wipe out an entire breeding program

patmc_nr: Try to get her to neuter them both.

PHMowgli: right morgan a vet cannot destroy dogs for a disease like that

PHMorgan: And spay/neuter doesn't cur eit

newdog_nr: Great... how do I tell my husband no... we've seen both parents and they seem very well behaved... I'm not sure what to do?

berta: Agility seminar on handling and such ... yes I wanted to try it right away

PHChristy: newdog, what you SEE on a dog is only a small part of the picture... many inherited traits are invisible

PHMorgan: New - just say you are not comfortable with the idea of a dog right now.....

PHChristy: newdog, I do give advice on dogs, I don't give marriage counseling. *G*

PHMorgan: You want something smaller, bigger, furrier, something

patmc_nr: I meant to neuter the parent pits

PHMorgan: ROFL

TanBrae: LOL

PHMowgli: Well I can give marriage counseling but let me first tell you I am divorced LOL

patmc_nr: Get a Schipperke. The cats will have an even chance

TanBrae: I don't like to see breed specific bans, but in our area, the pitbull problem is getting bad.

PHMorgan: BRB _ my washer is taking over my kitchen, must get the chair.....

newdog_nr: Easier said than done... I was kind of getting excited about getting one.. but I understand that b/c we don't know the blood line, goodness knows what we are getting into, she has papers on both parents, but again, I don't know what that means?

PHChristy: Tan, if you ban the pits, they'll just switch to another breed

TanBrae: Yep.

TanBrae: That's what I'm afraid of.

PHChristy: newdog.... in this case it means nothing at all, if she doesn't UNDERSTAND the pedigree

TanBrae: The ban in Canada is rediculous.

PHMorgan: Ok - washer subdued

PHMowgli: I think we need to ban idiots from owning all breeds of dogs

TanBrae: LOL @ Morgan's washer.

patmc_nr: yes

PHMorgan: You should have to take a test to be allowed to breed dogs

newdog_nr: Is there a small chance that they will be good dogs???

TanBrae: Mowgli, good point!

PHChristy: newdog, yes

PHMowgli: I agree morgan

PHChristy: there may even be a large chance

newdog_nr: VERY SMALL ... RIGHT

PHMorgan: It's a front loader and we had to remove the load levelers to fit it under the counter.. sometimes it makes a break for it..... LOL

TanBrae: Morgan, I just said that to somebody tonight!

patmc_nr: Why does he want two? One wuld tend to bond with the family more.

PHChristy: but why take a chance, when there are hunreds of thousands of wonderful, non-chancey dogs out there needing homes?

PHMorgan: Cours,e I think that goes for humans, too

PHChristy: makes no sense to me

TanBrae: Agree, Morgan!

PHMorgan: Two is NOT a good idea, New

PHChristy: hiya mastador! Welcome to Dog Breeding Chat! Our topic tonight is the Care and Training of Stud Dogs!

PHMowgli: hey mastador

newdog_nr: two... for each other to have a friend... we did it with the cats too!!!! I'm thinking maybe just one now and a female over male?

TanBrae: Especially around kids!

PHMorgan: Even well-bred pit bulls are notoriously dog aggressive - this is what htey were bred for for generations

PHChristy: newdog... have you had dogs before?

TanBrae: One would be bad enough if it decided to do something. Two.... Yikes!

mastador: Hi folks

PHMorgan: There is not a good likelihood they will get along, and they should really NOT be affable with other dogs

TanBrae: Hi mastador.

PHChristy: almost all terriers are dog aggressive, pit bulls even more so

PHMorgan: Hiya, Mastador

PHMorgan: Two is a horrid idea, honestly

berta: getting two pups at once is always a bad idea they tend to bond to each other and not to the humans

PHChristy: they are a huge challenge to own, you can't take them to parks, people are prejudiced against them, they will literally run away from you when you're walking them

PHMowgli: I myself prefer males as pets over females

PHChristy: berta, not true in my breed....

newdog_nr: I had dogs when I was growing up, but not as an adult...

PHChristy: I think two is better than one with sighthounds

PHChristy: newdog, honestly, two is a TERRIBLE idea

PHChristy: and terriers are a TERRIBLE idea

PHMowgli: I think 10 is better than 1 in shelties but hey I am weird

PHChristy: get a nice family dog

berta: Not to mention the tendencies of pack behavior in this breed

newdog_nr: I AGREE... not two

TanBrae: New, there are LOTS of Labradors who need good, loving, responsible homes...

newdog_nr: I'm thinking I may try very hard to talk him out of this and into another dog!!!!

PHMowgli: and I would never own more than 1 terrier

PHChristy: don't get any terrier breed, including a pit bull

PHChristy: Mowgli, exactly

PHMorgan: New - it sounds to me like youa re really leery and that alone makes it a bad idea - you need to be completely commited to the dog you choose for your family.

TanBrae: And, most come spayed or neutered!

patmc_nr: Well-bred pitbulls are an excellent family dog, but I would never recommend two at once.

PHChristy: I agree with pat

PHChristy: if you really want a pit, find a really good breeder

patmc_nr: They definitely need lots of training

PHChristy: but otherwise, get an easier dog

PHChristy: pits are a huge, huge responsiblity

PHMorgan: And while pits make great family dogs, they are NOT for "first-time" (or first time as an adult) dog owners

TanBrae: And very committed owners.

PHMowgli: but they must ocme from a knowledgealbe breeder

newdog_nr: Can I send my husband to live with one of you... he isn't going to like this... hehehehe

PHChristy: not to mention that they get stolen all the time

PHChristy: newdog, sure, send him here.... I train dogs AND recalcitrant husbands *G*

PHMorgan: And many home owners insurance will cause issues for pit bull ownership

berta: I know quite afew Pits and they are nice dogs In fact Sir has a buddy (bitch) that he likes to play with at agiltiy class she's a real sweetie but that can change with the right (or wrong) situation

TanBrae: And, those who get stolen... If they don't make the grade fighting, they are used as bait.

PHMowgli: I myself think a sporting breed is a good first time pet

PHMorgan: Tan - the ones that are stolen are almost always used as bait - they don't breed unpapered dogs either

newdog_nr: that is just sad... I'm just really worried about the cats.. and future kids

PHMorgan: Or fight them

mastador: I came in late but ...what makes the pitbull this persons choice of dog

PHMorgan: Cats and future kids are a reasonable concern

PHChristy: mastador, her sister in law has a litter

mastador: ahhhh

newdog_nr: those sister in laws...

PHMorgan: She's not too sure but hubby is gung ho. She's looking for information to resist the idea

TanBrae: What is the registry of choice for pitbulls?

newdog_nr: we've even picked them out...

TanBrae: Not a reputable one, I'm sure.

newdog_nr: ???Not sure???

berta: UKC I thing

berta: think

PHMorgan: A few of the rare breed registries will register them

TanBrae: CKC?

mastador: may want to check laws of city or township ...do they even allow Pits???

TanBrae: But, most aren't even purebreds.

newdog_nr: yes, but we have had two bitings in a week one killing the women and her dog.

TanBrae: *Not Canadian Kennel Club*

TanBrae: New, and that in itself doesn't deter your husband???

mastador: I'm sure its ukc

PHMowgli: newdog all the more reason to think maybe the ones you SIL has are not well bred dogs

mastador: well pretty sure

patmc_nr: tell New - Check with your homeowners insurance. Many will cancel you if you have a breed on the 'target' list. Also if your dog even looks like he's going to bite a kid, you could end up with a hefty lawsuit

mastador: and I like Pit bulls but they really need responsible homes

TanBrae: Well, there are several registries for non-purebred, non-AKC registrable dogs.

PHChristy: registry of choice for pits is UKC

TanBrae: Thanks, Christy. I wondered.

patmc_nr: Pits can be great dogs, but the breed is in the process of being ruined by irresponsible people

TanBrae: So, do they have to be ONE breed to be registered?

PHMowgli: united christy?

PHChristy: Tan, what do you mean?

PHChristy: United Kennel Club

TanBrae: Well, a lot of "pitbulls" are cross breeds.

PHMorgan: Most folks I know who own pit bulls spend hours training them and find them hard to contain. They escape yards, eat crates and can be quite destructive. They require a ton of exercise and are extremely stubborn and hard to train.

patmc_nr: CKC will register anything with 4 legs that barks

PHChristy: registers the American Pit Bull Terrier, which is BASICALLY the same breed as the American Staffordshire Terrier, which is an AKC breed. However, they are diverging more and more.

newdog_nr: my husband thinks he can handle everything...so whats a pitbull and my sil thinks anything she says is correct

TanBrae: Pat, yep, i know.

mastador: I have a friend who had to put hers down cause she kept going thru windows (closed windows) after mailmen meter readers ups guy ....who ever

PHChristy: TanBrae, there is actually no single breed known as the pit bull, pit bull is a TYPE OF DOG, not a breed per se

TanBrae: I know. That's why I'm trying to figure out which registry actually registers them.

patmc_nr: We're getting way away from stud dogs

TanBrae: Pat, yep.

TanBrae: Off track.

berta: A very good frind of mine who owned a boarding kennel had a Pit there who was very sweet. One day he busted the kennel gate when she was cleaning runs and grabbed her Chin pup and kiled it right at her feet

PHChristy: pat, you're right, but there are only four minutes left in chat actually *G*

PHMowgli: do any of use a certain supplement for your boys?

PHChristy: TanBrae, well, one of them is an AKC breed... the Am Staff

PHChristy: Mowgli, saw palmetto

PHChristy: religiously

TanBrae: Christy, why saw palmetto?

mastador: why?

PHMorgan: What is that for, Christy?

patmc_nr: why saw palmetto?

PHMorgan: LOl

PHMowgli: what does it do christy?

PHChristy: saw palmetto is a wonderful herb for prostate health

berta: What does that do

PHMorgan: I've never even heard of that as a supplement

newdog_nr: When we went and looked at the pups and the parents they looked to be American Pit Bull Terriers... A friend of mine has Staffordshire and it looks completely different

PHMowgli: I use lixotinic for a week each side of breeding a male

TanBrae: How much do you give?

berta: Hey Tally comere son

PHChristy: it relieves benign hyptertrophic prostatitis, which is an enlarged prostate due to hormonal influences

PHChristy: I give them three quarters of the human dose on the label

PHChristy: which I cleared with my vet plus a friend who is a vet and an herbalist

PHChristy: Susan Wynn DVM

TanBrae: Per body weight?

PHMorgan: For deerhounds - so I guess it would be less for smaller breeds?

PHMowgli: so for my dogs about a 1/4 right christy?

PHChristy: my dogs weigh 115-125 lbs

PHChristy: yes

berta: Daily ? what size doesage

TanBrae: Got it.

PHChristy: I give daily in two doses

berta: Tally is just under 60 lbs

PHChristy: adjust for weight, compared to a human

PHMowgli: oh no my dogs are only about 10-15 lbs

PHChristy: berta, so maybe a little less than half

TanBrae: So, you split the dose?

PHChristy: I follow the label directions, just give less per dose

PHMowgli: so I would do about 1 10th dose

PHMorgan: Christy -0 do you give it all the time or just when girls are in season?

PHChristy: the label says to give X amount twice daily, I give 75 percent of X twice a day

PHChristy: Morgan, I do it all the time from puberty

TanBrae: If you have a lot of breedings coming up, do you up his food?

PHChristy: I pulse it, sometimes taking them off for a week or so

PHChristy: Hi, Ann!

PHMowgli: christy liquid pill or pwder?

PHMowgli: hi ann

PHChristy: we are just shifting over to Showdog Chat....

AnnZ3_nr: hello

patmc_nr: bye all

AnnZ3_nr: huh?

PHChristy: TanBrae, well, THIS dog has no breedings, but when I've had stud dogs... no

TanBrae: Okay, just wondered.

newdog_nr: Good night all - thanks for the help

AnnZ3_nr: oh...I had sort of a stud dog question

PHChristy: I don't do anything with upping theif food for a breeding

PHChristy: night new dog!

PHChristy: Ann, that's fine, go ahead!

TanBrae: Good luck, new!

TanBrae: Do your dogs go off food when they are around a bitch in season?

PHChristy: TanBrae, also, in deerhounds, dogs are just not used that much... a dog who is used twice in his life is VERY unusual.... more than that is almost unheard of

AnnZ3_nr: How many of you would breed to a fair ofa with your good bitch.?

TanBrae: Your males, I should say.

PHChristy: TanBrae, yes, totally

PHMowgli: mine do Tan

mastador: mine does also

PHChristy: I send bitches in season to stay with my mom, my dogs become drooling, howling, peeing, starving MESSES and I can't stand it

PHChristy: they are sex fiends

PHChristy: Ann, no, I wouldn't JMO

TanBrae: LMBO

mastador: at least for awhile he has gotten better

TanBrae: Ann, I wouldn't.

PHMorgan: Mine do when the girls are actually breedable

PHMowgli: Not me Ann too many other dogs with good or better

TanBrae: But, hips can be a real problem in Labs.

berta: I bred a Fair bitch and allthe pups were good

TanBrae: Crap shoot!

PHMowgli: hey schuggar!!

PHMorgan: Depends on the breed, ann

AnnZ3_nr: TanBrae...you said no?

Schuggar: hi ya

AnnZ3_nr: Lab

Schuggar: how are you tonight

PHMorgan: How much of a problem is displasia in your breed?

berta: All her sibs were goods as were her sire and dam

AnnZ3_nr: I think somewhere around 9-13%

TanBrae: Ann, right, I wouldn't. I have Labs and there are just too many good dogs who have good or better hips than to chance it breeding to a fair.

AnnZ3_nr: a big problem

PHMowgli: labs are high for dysplasia where as shelties are very low so I guess my answer would not necessarily apply

PHMorgan: Yep - I would see if he has any siblings with better hip ratings, if you like the pedigree

berta: You need to take a good look at the depth of a pedigree and not just the bitch and dog

AnnZ3_nr: I've really messed up TanBrae

TanBrae: Ann, what breed do you have? Sorry if I missed i.

TanBrae: it.

PHChristy: we have zero in our breed, so I was answering as if I had a breed for which HD was an issue

AnnZ3_nr: Labs...i think I've seen your name before

Schuggar: Fas been in tonight?

PHMowgli: Hi erin Welcome to Show Dog Chat!! Tonights Topic Training Tools what to use to get your dog ring ready!!!

PHMowgli: no schuggar

PHMorgan: OK folks, i'm off to fight with the washer.... See ya'll next week

berta: Valium?

PHMowgli: nite morgan

AnnZ3_nr: I have made arrangements...my girl will probably be ready in a day or so

TanBrae: Ann, you didn't necessarily mess up, but if you kept a bitch from that litter, I would definately not use anything on her less than a good, and I'd be more tempted to find an excellent.

AnnZ3_nr: I do plan on keeping a bitch

PHMowgli: I know you can breed 2 affecteds and get a normal but I would be hard pressed to temp fate myself

AnnZ3_nr: I saw someone else write about this stud on Jill's forum

TanBrae: Ah....

TanBrae: Oiy, it can get nasty there!

AnnZ3_nr: yeah :(

AnnZ3_nr: I know..it can ruin my day sometimes

TanBrae: Well, JMHO, but I have had too many problems to "add" to it.

berta: I don't think OFA is all it's cracked up to be personally. Dogs and bitches with goods and exs are crippling around by the time they are 8 or 9 years old and can barely get around a veterans ring.

TanBrae: So, I wouldn't use less than a good.

AnnZ3_nr: I called the stud owner today

TanBrae: But, like I said, it's all a crap shoot. You can breed two excellents and get dysplastic.

AnnZ3_nr: She had all the right things to say...I like and admire her

TanBrae: That's a good start, Ann!

AnnZ3_nr: you wouldn't use him?

PHChristy: it's not REALLY a crap shoot.... the more affecteds ina given pedigree, the higher the rate in a given litter

PHMowgli: hey tsn Welcome to Show Dog Chat!! Tonights Topic Training Tools what to use to get your dog ring ready!!!

TanBrae: Let me put it this way...

PHChristy: so for an individual dog you cannot predict, but you can predict for a litter or a line

PHMowgli: hi cinnamire Welcome to Show Dog Chat!! Tonights Topic Training Tools what to use to get your dog ring ready!!!

TanBrae: If I had a comparable dog, and his hips were good or excellent, I would use him instead.

AnnZ3_nr: The breeder where I got my girl had suggested this stud but I think it was before everyone knew he was fair

cinnamire: Hello there!

mastador: Isn't it all about breeding the best to the best anyway????

TanBrae: Oops, we are switching topics?

TanBrae: Sorry!

AnnZ3_nr: I was going to call someone else...then she returned my e-mail..I'm so new if I back out I'm afraid I'll be

erin_nr: hello, who are we talking about?

TanBrae: Ann, I'd call your breeder again and ask what he/she thinks of that stud now.

PHChristy: yes, actually it is showdog chat now *G*

PHMowgli: Welcome to Show Dog Chat!! Tonights Topic Training Tools what to use to get your dog ring ready!!!

AnnZ3_nr: well, it gets worse

TanBrae: Good luck to you. And, remember, this is only MY opinion.

AnnZ3_nr: ok

PHMowgli: ok who has a favorite training tool they use to prep all their show prospects?

TanBrae: Ring ready! Oooo, I love showing dogs!

PHChristy: prayer is my best tool *G*

TanBrae: TREATS!

PHChristy: just desparate prayer that they won't embarrass me LOL