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Transcript: Dog Breeding Chat Tuesday, Sept. 14, 2004: Puppy's First Week PHMorgan: Welcome to Breeder Chat! PHMorgan: Topic tonight will be Puppy's First week MiniSch_nr: Hellow Morgan MiniSch_nr: hello that is PHChristy: Hello all! PHMorgan: {{{{{{{{{{{{Christy}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} PHChristy: {{{{{{Morgan}}}}}} MiniSch_nr: Expecting puppies on Sept 25 so this topic is important to me. PHChristy: how is everyone doing tonight? PHChristy: Mini, that's great.... puppy breath! PHMorgan: Oh goody babies PHMorgan: My newest are now 6 months old and I'm JUST beginning to wish for puppy breath again (but not at MY youse) PHMorgan: *house) MiniSch_nr: I have two salt and pepper girls that were 5 months old last weekend - never had puppies this close together before. This litter should be black and black and silver. PHChristy: Hello h ihope and waterndownzoo! Welcome to Dog Breeding Chat! PHMorgan: We'll give a few more minutes for folks to arrive and then we'll begin PHChristy: Our topic tonight is "Puppies' First Week" waterdownzoo_nr: Thank you for having me. hihopelabradors_nr: Glad to be here. Thanks for the welcome PHChristy: :) hihopelabradors_nr: Hiya Les PHMorgan: Oh hey, Scarlett's sister finished this past weekend - that is #5 from that litter MiniSch_nr: Great to have you. waterdownzoo_nr: Hi Ang :) PHChristy: Wow, Morgan, congratulations! PHChristy: Hello ROTC25! Welcome to Dog Breeding Chat! Our topic tonight is "Puppies' First Week" PHChristy: we'll be starting in a couple of minutes, just waiting for a few more folks to arrive PHChristy: Hello weremon13! Welcome to Dog Breeding Chat! Our topic tonight is "Puppies' First Week" weremon13_nr: cool PHMorgan: The rest are in happy pet homes warming sofas (well, so are the five CHs) but those who went to show homes are now all finished and 3 have their JHs hihopelabradors_nr: Some how I got bumped out and had 2 names showing so I logged back in... weremon13_nr: hey all ROTC25_nr: US ANY BODY SALING PITS PHMorgan: ROTC - most of us are here to learn about breeding from each other ROTC PHChristy: ROTC, please don't play sounds weremon13_nr: PHMorgan, have we met before? PHMorgan: THis is going to be a lecture chat but we will be taking questions & comments during the lecture ROTC25_nr: ON PHMorgan: Were - possibly - I host this chat every week and also Vet Q&A Chat MiniSch_nr: Morgan - the rest? 5 is a large litter in miniature schnauzers PHMorgan: There were 10, Mini - it was a pointer litter hihopelabradors_nr: Any word on when Dr Hutch will be doing another online seminar here ? PHMorgan: OK - Let's begin... PHMorgan: MOmdog has delivered her pups, hopefully without incident, and everyone has made it through the first night ROTC25_nr: OK PHMorgan: Particularly if it is her first litter, it's important that you keep close to momdog during the first week to make sure all is well PHChristy: hihope, probably in February ROTC25_nr: WHAT KIND OF DOG PHChristy: his schedule is very tight PHMorgan: She might need comforting if she is anxious PHMorgan: She might need coaxing to eat PHMorgan: SHe might be less than thrilled at the puppies - this can happen and it's important to be present if it does PHMorgan: SEveral things are of UTMOST importance the first week and should be done EVERY DAY: ROTC25_nr: WHAT KIND OF DOG HAD THE PUPS PHChristy: Folks, we are going to be starting now. While PHMorgan is doing her presentation on "Puppies' First Week," if you have a question or comment, please type ? or ! and wait to be called on. We'll return to general discussion of the topic after the presentation. PHMorgan: 1) Momdog's temperature should be taken DAILY - it's important to keep an eye on that temperature so that you are aware at the FIRST SIGN of any trouble PHMorgan: If it's over 102, call your vet IMMEDIATELY hihopelabradors_nr: ? PHMorgan: 2) PUps should be weighed every day - they may show a slight DECREASE the first day, but should gain steadily every day PHMorgan: GA< Hihope PHChristy: hihope, ga hihopelabradors_nr: If your bitches "normal" temp is 102, then post whelp, would a half degree be cause for alarm ? MiniSch_nr: ? PHMorgan: Normal body temp for most dogs is about 101 PHMorgan: So, if it's 102.5, call the vet PHChristy: it's very useful to know your dog's normal body temp - my deerhound tend to run LOW PHMorgan: If you feel anything else seems amiss, but the temp is around 101.5, call the vet anyhow PHMorgan: Erring on the side of caution is always a good idea PHChristy: I would agree, err on the side of caution in this case PHChristy: GMTA Morgan! PHMorgan: Every breed is different, but, for example, my pups, pointers, usually gain an ounce a day the first week - check with your mentor about the normal gain for your breed PHMorgan: Obviously, toy dogs are unlikely to gain an ounce a day.... PHMorgan: 3) Check momdog every day for signs of breast injuries or mastitis PHMorgan: YOu want to look for any abrasions, or any hard, hot lumps on the breasts that might indicate mastitis. MiniSch_nr: ? PHMorgan: Abrasions should be kept clean, and minor ones should not pose a problem, but keep an eye on them PHMorgan: GA, Mini MiniSch_nr: Should you also take the pups temperature and if so what should their temp be? PHMorgan: I don't normally take the pups temperature unless they seem "off" (we'll get to that) but normal temp is.... hang on lemme look it up PHMorgan: The book I have close to hand says the normal body temp at birth is only 97, and that it rises to 101.5 by week 3 PHMorgan: So.... in case of a problem, check iwth your vet.... LOL MiniSch_nr: Thanks, good to know. PHMorgan: OK - if you see anything that seems like mastitis (you can also look for a bloody or yellow discharge instead of the thin gold or blue discharge normal in nursing mothers) you will want to call the vet - dependin gon teh severity you might need to take momdog away PHMorgan: Mastitis is MOST common in dogs with very small litters. Dogs with a full complement of nursing pups are generally OK PHMorgan: 4) You want to observe your pups every day PHMorgan: Things to look for would be: PHMorgan: a) Nursing strongly - they will hum to themselves, crawl strongoly towards momdog and knead her with their feet. They should be difficult to dislodge when they are nursing. Poor nursers shoudl be checked out carefully for any signs of trouble PHMorgan: b) Puppies do not sleep in one place - they move around a lot and should be seen to be twitching busily during sleep PHMorgan: c) Puppies shoudl be QUIET. Warm, full and healthy puppies make VERY little noise. I find contented litters sound more like a hive of bees than anything else.... COntented humming.... PHMorgan: If any of these things are not found in one or more puppies, you want to call the vet - it does NOT take long for a puppy to begin to fail. The fact that they cannot maintain their own body temperature at this age makes them particularly vulnerable PHMorgan: It may seem to you that momdog does not have enough milk. You often cannot check by seeing if she is producing any by milking the nipples - if the pups are nursing strongly, there might not BE any left! The best way to know if she's producing milk is to look at the pups - are they quiet and happy? Are they gaining weight? If so, she's producing enough for them PHMorgan: It's also important that momdog is eating and drinking enough to provide for her brood MiniSch_nr: ? PHMorgan: The first few days I provide a slurry of goat's milk, beaten egg, yogurt and kayro syrup for momdog - adding in kibble as she will accept it PHChristy: Mini, ga! MiniSch_nr: I have a chow hound, rule of thumb on how much she should be eating - normal times? PHMorgan: I want her on her regular diet (but more of it) as soon as possible so taht she's getting complete nutrition. I do continue to supplement with eggs and calcium sournces like yogurt, cottage cheese and other cheeses MiniSch_nr: Do you feed her puppy food while she is nursing? PHMorgan: Mini - during nursing i tend to give as much as they want - she's going to be prettty busy providing nutrition for her brood - she will often look fairly lean while nursing pups PHMorgan: I do PHMorgan: WHen Z had her litter of 10 she was eating ( by 4-5 weeks) 12-15 cups of food a day, plus supplements and all her ribs and her spine were showing PHMorgan: This is an extreme example, but you can see how much a dog can use up when nursing PHMorgan: To illustrate, add up the weight of your pups at whatever age and figure waht sized "adult dog" that quantity might add up to - and these are GROWING pups using up that extra nutrition - momdog might be eating quite a lot as pups grow PHMorgan: It's also extremely important to keep the box VERY clean. Clean whelping boxes and puppy boxes lead to clean habits with pupppies ROTC24_nr: ? PHMorgan: Momdog is going to clean up (hopefully! we will get to THAT, as well) but you need to make sure the bedding is replaced a few times a day to maintain a germ-free and clean environment PHMorgan: GA< ROTC ROTC24_nr: WHAT KIND OF DOG ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? PHMorgan: I prefer the temperature in my whelping box to be around 75-80 degrees. Any warmer and my momdogs will not be comfortable. I also use a heating pad. PHMorgan: ANy dog, ROTC PHChristy: we are discussing all kinds of dogs, ROTC.... PHMorgan: THis is a breeding lecture ROTC24_nr: ? PHMorgan: If you find your pups are fussy you might want to see if teh box is warm enough. Look for drafts - you might be surprised how different the temp is close to th4 ground versus where YOU sit or stand in the room. PHMorgan: OK - hopefully momdog will be cleaning pups regularly and making sure they are shiny and bright ROTC24_nr: WHAT ABOUT PITBULLS? PHMorgan: HOWEVER< not all momdogs are good at this PHMorgan: All these things apply to pitbulls as wel, ROTC> Now - let's finish the lecture so we can get to the fun part - DISCUSSION! ROTC24_nr: I HAVE 12 NEW BORNS PHMorgan: SO... If your pups are not very clean, you will need to remedy this. Baby wipes are invaluable, hypo allergenic and shoujldn't bother momdog if she's helping out cleaning PHMorgan: I don't advise bathing pups by submersing in water - they can too easily get chillded PHMorgan: Sometimes a damp cloth is needed, but try to rub down the pups thoroughly afterward and make sure htey are in teh warmest part of the box PHMorgan: Keep in mind that the MORE you do for the pups, the less momdog will do. She might even decide they are YOUR pups and YOU can take care of them - this makes things very difficult PHMowgli: ??? PHMorgan: So, while we need to keep an eye on how things are going, try to intefere ONLY when necessary PHMorgan: GA, Mow PHMowgli: do you find using baby wipes easier or harder on the mom dog for puppies PHMowgli: because of the scent PHMorgan: It's just an option, Mow. I've used either PHMorgan: Momdog doesn't seem to care, but I use unscented - I hate the odor of the scented ones PHMowgli: k thanks PHMorgan: OK - some other things that will happen in the first week - dewclaws are generally removed at 3 days or so PHMorgan: Make sure pups are all gaining and doing well before attempting to remove dewclaws. A few days wait will not hurt if one or two pups seem a bit behind. PHMorgan: PUps eyes will open at about 10-14 days, and they will be able to hear shortly after that. The first week all they do is eat, sleep and poop PHMorgan: And produce puppy breathe PHChristy: :D PHMorgan: I usually give momdog a bath (she seems usually to need it even tho she will clean herself up) after a day or two PHChristy: I wanted to add one thing.... PHMorgan: It seems to make her feel more herslef - be sure she is THOROUGHLY dry before returning her to the pups - If she has coat I'd do a sponge bath PHChristy: Unless you HAVE TO, try not to give any kind of formula to the puppies during this time PHChristy: not even any kind of beneficial bacteria formula waterdownzoo_nr: ? PHChristy: Of course if mama isn't producing enough milk... although in the first 24-48 she'll produce colostrum rather than actual milk.... PHChristy: or if the pups are hypoglycemic or not nursing.... PHMorgan: I agree 100%. It's best not to supplement unless the pups are not gaining. MOm's milk is by far the ABSOLUTE best and most complete nutrition and health supplement the pups can get PHChristy: obviously you should feed them! PHMorgan: GA< Waterdown waterdownzoo_nr: With breeds that you do not usually bathe, do you still recommend bathing mom? PHChristy: but for normal puppies, mother's milk is best MiniSch_nr: ? PHMorgan: If the pups are NOT gaining, then certainly you will want to supplement, but if they ARE, leave well enough alone - again, teh less YOU have to do, the better job momdog and Mother Nature will do PHMorgan: My pointers (no coat to speak of) are usually pretty oogy after delivering a litter. They smell of blood and amnioitic fluid and really could use a good bath PHMorgan: GA, Mini PHMorgan: Oh - also, it is normal for momdog to have a discharge after delivery, either by section or normal PHMorgan: The discharge should not be copious, thick, yellow, green or white MiniSch_nr: I have been told to NOT supplement with anything until the pups have clostrum - but what about when the Mom's milk is late coming in. PHMorgan: It should NOT look like tomato soup PHMorgan: Mini - if the pups are not gaining, then you will need to supplement. PHChristy: Mini, absolutely positively, don't let the puppies become hypoglycemic or hungry if something is wrong! MiniSch_nr: With my last litter at four days old the mom only had 2 nipples with milk - vets assessment, not mine. PHChristy: but some breeders give formula ROUTINELY PHMorgan: But you cannot always tell by milking the nipples how much milk she has PHChristy: and others are a bit too quick to supplement PHMorgan: YOu CAN tell by whether or not the pups are gaining weight PHChristy: once you introduce foreign proteins, you irrevokably change the intestinal flora... PHMorgan: Usually I cannot get ANY milk from my bitches -the pups suck them COMPLETELY dry PHChristy: and also, the intestinal mucosa, which is intended to keep foreign proteins out of the bloodstream, is not mature in newborns PHMorgan: But if the pups are gaining, I know she's producing just fine PHChristy: and ANYTHING other than mother's milk is a foreign protein, and can cause immune system problems, which can last a lifetime PHChristy: again, don't let that be a reason to not feed a puppy who needs it! Just weigh it in the balance. PHMorgan: A normal discharge, incidentally, can be dark red, greenish, or even blackish (the amiotic fluids produce some lovely colors) MiniSch_nr: I waited 24 hours to supplement last time and lost a puppy. PHMorgan: Also, momdog might have diahrrea for a day or two if she's eaten some placentas. This is OK, so long as it's not prolonged and she seems fine otherwise PHMorgan: OK - I'm sure we have more questions.... Let's hear them - there's no way I could have covered EVERYTHING PHChristy: Folks, we'll open this up to a general discussion of the topic, so please go ahead with any comments or questions you have dl_pap: ;D PHChristy: we haven't said anything about the most notable feature of puppies' first week: TOTAL SLEEP DEPRIVATION on the part of the breeder ambridge: ? dl_pap: amen! MiniSch_nr: Since anything is a foreign substance, you would not give the newborns "nutridrops"
PHChristy: if you get any sleep at all that week, you are doing something wrong
PHChristy: Mini, that's right - nothing by mouth
PHMorgan: Yeah, that's true
PHChristy: just mama's milk
PHChristy: not even BeneBac or anything else
PHMorgan: I have a bed in the whelping room but I spend most of the time on the floor next to the box, with my ahdn on momdog
PHMorgan: LOL
MiniSch_nr: Oh yes, deprivation of sleep was my favorite part :-((
PHChristy: assuming they are getting plenty of mother's milk
PHMorgan: GAA< Ambridge
MiniSch_nr: Puppy pen is in my bedroom next to my bed
PHChristy: we can just chat generally now, we don't need to wait to be called on :)
dl_pap: as long as their gaining SOME weight?
PHMorgan: I also find you have to DRAG momdog outside to potty a few times a day onlead - she is VERY reluctant to leave her puppies
PHChristy: dl, well, I'd like to see a steady weight gain, appropriate for the breed
PHMorgan: YOu want to have an idea of how much weight is normal for your breed and YOUR LINE
PHMowgli: christy I always give a tiny crop of nutrical on dewclaw day or I lose puppies
MiniSch_nr: At what day would you expect the puppies to double their birthweight?
PHMowgli: drop not crop
ambridge: Do you markto identify all puppies in some way... or do only mark any you feel are not thriving as the others?
PHMorgan: Mine usually do by end of second week
loganisle: oops
berta: Hmmm or she acts like the dragon lurking in the doorway waiting for her "relatives" to walk down the hall
loganisle: I meant to say that publicly - I have a comment
PHChristy: I would say that daily weight gains of 5 to 10% of birth weight are normal
PHMorgan: I don't mark mine because they all HAVE markings which I can use to identify them
MiniSch_nr: I mark everyone as they are born - start with nail polish in different places on the pups.
dl_pap: i have 2 that doubled on the 4th day
PHMorgan: It's important to know which pups are gaining how much
PHMorgan: Sometimes I will have a puppy that is smaller and doesn't gain as well
PHMowgli: ha ha pap you have piglets not puppies LOL
MiniSch_nr: I expect this litter to be all black and so there should be no markings to note.
dl_pap: smile
PHMorgan: I will place that pup near the back teats to nurse as they seem to produce more
loganisle: I've always let my momdog eat all placentas and have never had a prob with upset tummies
berta: I use colored rickrack as it stays on better and doesn't wash off like food coloring or fingernail polish
PHMorgan: If that doesn't help, I will supplement just THAT puppy
PHMorgan: Some folks shave a spot on the puppy so they can identify them
dl_pap: i have one that's significantly smaller
PHMowgli: pap I had puppies double weight by second day also because birth weight was low and moms milk was very rich and free flowing
PHChristy: I also use colored rick rack
loganisle: I also give her raspberry leaves at least the last two weeks or so to assist with the whole whelping thing.
PHMorgan: Most vets no longer recommend raspberry leaves as they stimulate uterine contractions which you don't want UNTIL DELIVERY
PHMowgli: I use raspberry only from day 57 on
dl_pap: he's gaining and seems healthy... just not at the rate the others are
PHMorgan: BEfore I had this information, I used it on two bitches and really didn't see an improvement over previous deliveries
PHMorgan: Pap - some pups are just smaller
loganisle: how much raspberry leaves do you think you'd have to feed in order to stimulate contractions?
loganisle: or how many - whatever
PHMorgan: And you never know - Z was the tiniest in her litter and now she's larger than most
MiniSch_nr: I use ferret collars as soon as the pups are big enough to wear them.
loganisle: I only feed a pinch
PHMorgan: I'm not sure, Logan
PHMorgan: I think if you purchase from a doggy supplier, it will have dosage
PHMorgan: Again, I PERSONALLY don't advise it
PHMowgli: mini if I need collars I use those cat collars that are quick release
PHMorgan: Nor does my vet
loganisle: hmmm
loganisle: I'll look into that a bit more
MiniSch_nr: I was told to stay away from raspberry leaves.
PHChristy: raspberry leaves a bit controversial
PHMorgan: Christy - do you know what Hutch says about Raspberry leaves?
loganisle: my vet has never had a problem with it - going on 11 years doing this - he's holistic and does acupuncture as well.
loganisle: but I'll definitely look into it
PHChristy: No, but I know what Karen Copely from Whelp Wise says....
loganisle: I know that everything I ever read said a small pinch
berta: I switch ti puppy collars then send them home with WhitePine limited sip collars
berta: No what do they say Christy
PHMowgli: oh berta how do those work on pups?
PHMorgan: INcidentally, I always use a blanket, not newspapers, in teh box, until modog stops cleaning up after pups
MiniSch_nr: The ferret collars aren't big enough by the time they leave home - I switch to regular small collars.
PHMorgan: Newspaper doesn't give much traction and it can be hard for pups to get around
berta: I love them and advise anyone with coated dogs to at least try them.
PHChristy: I will paste the section from the chat she did with us, if that's ok...it's a bit long....
PHMorgan: Blankies give their little feet better purchase for getting around
PHChristy: Morgan, shall I do that?
PHMorgan: SUrely
MiniSch_nr: berta, do you have a source for the collars
PHChristy: Here is the cut from the WhelpWise chat on red raspberry leaf: WhelpWise: We keep outcome statistics on everyone who uses the service
WhelpWise: we look at diet, supplements, c-section rate, fetal mortality rate
WhelpWise: what we noticed very early on was a much higher fetal mortality rate for people who were using anything with red raspberry or any of the other uterine stimulants
WhelpWise: this contrasted sharply with the mortality rate of people who were not using them, 33 percent fetal mortality with, 5-7 percent without
WhelpWise: red raspberry is sold to make the uterus stronger
WhelpWise: people think by "exercising" the uterus it will get stronger and you will have a faster, better whelping
WhelpWise: what people don't realize is that the uterus is made out of smooth muscle, not skeletal muscle like your arms and legs
WhelpWise: smooth muscle is what lines the inside of your blood vessels and bronchial tubes, you have no control over it
WhelpWise: by stimulating it with red raspberry you cannot make it stronger, but you can make it more irritable
WhelpWise: irritable means that instead of having a nice relaxed smooth uterus for the placenta to burrow into and establish a good blood supply, it is constricted and hard, not allowing good placental attachment, thus causing premature placental separation and fetal death
PHMowgli: I always worry using slip collars on puppies
PHMorgan: THanks Christy
MiniSch_nr: This last litter I used safety pins to pin terry cloth towels to peg board - worked wonderfully. Mom could not bury the puppies but could dig to her heart's content.
PHMorgan: OK - what other questions have we?
loganisle: hmm - thanks Christy
PHMorgan: Mini - my box has no bottom, so I use a blanket that is LARGER than the box and just pin it down with the box - -works great
MiniSch_nr: Wonderful surface for the pups too.
PHMorgan: COurse, I would need 3 beach towels for my box... LOLOL
PHMowgli: mini I have towels I sewed velcro around edges and then used the stick on other half of velcro on back of board that is my base for whelpng box it works great
MiniSch_nr: I made my whelping box out of corrugated plastic. I love it, but it is only 2 ft x 3 ft so wouldn't fit your larger breeds.
PHMorgan: These are great ideas for small dog boxes, guys
ambridge: Does anyone use the Janort whelping box?
PHMowgli: sorry morgan we hae small dogs LOL
PHChristy: ambridge, no, what is that?
MiniSch_nr: Fits in a 3 x 3 puppy pen with a little area for mom to get away from the pups - 1 x 3 feet
PHChristy: I do 4'x6' out of wood
PHChristy: with a pig rail
PHChristy: and no bottom
PHChristy: laid over tarps laid over quilts, then a rubberized flannel sheet and more quilts over everything
PHMowgli: mini my box is 2ft by 4 ft it fills half an expen so mom has other half to get away from puppies LOL
PHChristy: deerhounds are bony moms!
MiniSch_nr: Mine has a pig rail too - the pups were using it as a restroom by about 4 weeks old.
PHMorgan: My box also has a clip inside for momdogs' water bucket. I find summer litters tend to hang out around the water bucket when it is hot to cool off!
dl_pap: i taked to someone this week who uses the big watermelon bins fron costco
PHMorgan: My box has a front that folds down so momdog can jump in and out easily
PHMowgli: pap my first whelping box was a washer box LOL
PHMorgan: It's 24" high when closed
MiniSch_nr: It was really funny - they would climb up on that 3 1/2 inch pig rail to poop.
PHChristy: I have one low side
PHMorgan: That's funny, Mini
PHMorgan: My pig rail is made of PVC so they can't stand on it
ambridge: It was made by a company outside Philadelphia, when I purchased it... but now someone from the midwest bought the company, so don't know what the web site is ... but it's made of PVC and something like a fiberglass sheeting.
PHChristy: and when the little monsters, I mean darling babies, learn to climb out, I surround it all with ex pans, LOL
PHMowgli: mini mine use the pig rail at 2-4 weeks as a step to climb out of box
PHMorgan: And I can generally take it out by week 3 - momdog isn't likely to squish them at that age
berta: Mow they aren't a slip collar they are a limited slip...... sorta like a martingale but only one side slips. They were first used for sled dogs to make sure they couldn't pull their heads out of their collars while harnessed and so they couldn't apply any pressure on the throat and constrict breathing
ambridge: Just wondering how others who have the Janort box are finding their's holding up.
MiniSch_nr: Yep Mow - I have a low side for the mom to get in an out of that about 3 weeks I add a higher wall too or they would be out in a minute.
PHMowgli: oh great berta do you have a website you could e-mail me or tell me where you get them?
PHMorgan: OK fokls, we need a topic for next week - suggestions? Any topics you want a lecture on? Any topics for general discussion? Both?
MiniSch_nr: How about "after the first week"
PHMowgli: morgan how about enclosures?
ambridge: It would cost a fortune in shipping now to send it back to the new mfg for repairs... was hoping someone might have experience on having minor repairs done.
PHMorgan: Do we want to talk about weaning?
PHChristy: I do I do!
PHMorgan: LOLOL
MiniSch_nr: Weaning would be good.
PHMowgli: weaning is fine but put enclosures on the list LOL
PHMorgan: Mow - let's do weaning and then we'll do enclosures after that since they are more important as pupsg et more active
PHMorgan: Great idea, Now
PHMorgan: MoW weven
PHMorgan: OMG I quit
PHChristy: Hello Maliyum! We're just finishing up Dog Breeding Chat and a discussion of "PUppies' First Week!"
PHChristy: Hello dl.... :(
PHMowgli: hi sigh
dl_sigh_nr: smile..
PHChristy: are you ghosting?
PHMowgli: hi mali
Maliyum: cool, hello
MiniSch_nr: Thanks for the chat tonight - really timely with the pups coming soon.
PHMowgli: morgan I figured out I was now LOL
dl_sigh_nr: did that link i posted show up before i got booted?
PHChristy: Mini, good luck with your babies!
ambridge: along with enclosures, could you included favorite supplies/equipment, suggestions, etc.?
PHChristy: dl, no, I don't think so....
PHMorgan: Definitely
dl_sigh_nr: http://groups.msn.com/Lunaandco-/shoebox.msnw
MiniSch_nr: Thanks. Really getting excited and a little worried. This is her first litter.
dl_sigh_nr: my pup pics
dl_sigh_nr: if anyone wants to see
ambridge: Finding out you can spend alot of money on stuff you decide you never want to use again! LOL
PHMorgan: Mini - paws crossed at my house. Z says she will come over and help. All puppies are her responsibility
PHMowgli: sigh in a shoe boxc?
PHMorgan: Z is my ultimate momma dog
PHMowgli: no MOrgan they are whitneys LOL
MiniSch_nr: If anyone wants the directions on how to build the whelping box from corrugated plastic - email me at abacusoos@earthlink.net
PHMorgan: Z is larger and scarier. I think she wins
PHMorgan: LOL
PHMowgli: oh my sigh they are so tiny
PHChristy: I made notes for the next two chats
PHMowgli: good thinking christy
PHMorgan: She adopted a 14 week old puppy this weekend. A baddog was being horrible to all around him and I let her out of the car to keep an eye on him at a fun field event
dl_sigh_nr: they're twice as big now
PHChristy: thanks to dl and Mini for the whelping box tips!
PHMorgan: She explained to him in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS what happens to naughty boys who go after baby puppy girls.....
PHChristy: LOL MOrgan
PHChristy: gotta love those mom dogs
PHMorgan: He peed all over himself and refused to leave his car the rest of the day
waterdownzoo_nr: Thank you for the chat.
dl_sigh_nr: my cat hasn't left the closet since luna delivered
PHMorgan: WE were all relieved not to have to ask his parents to leave. They are nice folks with NO clue and a very bad tempered dog
PHMowgli: Welcome to Show Dog Chat!!!! Tonights topic is open discussion!!!
PHChristy: thank YOU waterdownzoo!
PHMorgan: MOst welcome, Waterdown
ambridge: Yes, thank you everyone!
MiniSch_nr: Yes, I think my bitch will be a good mom. She did a good job of mothering my last litter - played very nice with them.
PHMowgli: oops sorry morgan LOL
PHChristy: please stick around for Showdog Chat, folks....
PHMorgan: S'Fine mow
PHChristy: this is the night of our DogHobbyist Doubleheader
berta: Muirgen did that once to an adolescent Aussie that went after a sheltit pup
PHMowgli: well geez don't everyone run away
PHMorgan: Z protects all puppies
PHMorgan: She is momzilla
PHMorgan: LOL
PHMowgli: good girl muir
MiniSch_nr: I'm staying - I have 5 month old puppies I am getting ready for their first show.
dl_sigh_nr: LOL
PHMowgli: great mini
PHMowgli: ok does anyone have any brags this week???
PHMorgan: Well, Scarlett is still wating for her hour of training, so I must go...
dl_sigh_nr: i got one real beauty this litter..
berta: Well Muirgen has often protected Sir from his momma Valkyrie
dl_sigh_nr: but i have to run
PHMorgan: WE are practicing out of sight stays in the dark.... LOL
dl_sigh_nr: thanks all
PHChristy: I always try to eat and get my dogs fed and walked before chat starts so I can stay, but it doesn't work too well! kind of early for me here in CA
PHChristy: night dl, thank you!
MiniSch_nr: Yes, I am a glutton for punishment. They will be at their first show the week that the new puppies get their ears cropped.
PHChristy: goodnight for now, I'll be back!
PHMorgan: Night folks
PHMorgan: Danke
PHMowgli: nite everyone who is leaving
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