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PHMowgli: Welcome to Show Dog Chat!! Tonights Topic showing those veteran Dogs !!!!!!!!

KDiamondDavis: It's herbal, has barley

PHChristy: I have been waiting for this chat ALL WEEK!

PHMowgli: ok every grab your old dogs and take them around the ring

PHChristy: because Morgan convinced me to show my Rosie in veterans

christy123456_nr: mow? hubby wanted me to ask u question please?

PHChristy: KDD, oh well then I'll pass

PHChristy: I'll have to stick with my regular tea

bert_nr: Okay tell me how to get my old girl that doesn't want strangers to touch her to stand for the judge at my National in Sept LOL

KDiamondDavis: Christy, that's better for ya, I just can't have regular tea so have to make do with this

christy123456_nr: why u think akc and adba will reg anything

PHChristy: so I got Rosie out and looked at her and said, it's going to take me until next year to get her groomed for the ring, ROFL

bert_nr: I like blackberry tea

PHChristy: bert, well... start having strangers go over her now, and just pop treats into her mouth while you do it?

KDiamondDavis: Christy, does Rosie enjoy grooming?

PHChristy: KDD< fortunately yes

KDiamondDavis: Ahhh, then it will all be a treat for her

christy123456_nr: i mean ukc sorry and adba

PHChristy: and I wont' strip out the ears, I will just use thinning shears

PHMowgli: christy what I think you are asking me is why does the AKC only accept the registrations from the APBT club

christy123456_nr: hubby was all worried bout this

christy123456_nr: nope

PHChristy: the American Bulldog is not the same breed as the APBT

christy123456_nr: akc does not accept reg from apbt club

PHChristy: the AmStaff and the APBT are sometimes the same breed, depedning on the dog

PHChristy: on the registration of the dog's parents, I mean

PHChristy: Kathy, she's a funny old girl, she does like to be brushed

PHMowgli: not yet christy 123

christy123456_nr: they were both same breed 70 yrs ago

PHChristy: she doesn't mind having her nails cut

PHChristy: christy, yes, they were

PHMowgli: but they are currently accepting them from the APBT as foundation stock

KDiamondDavis: I do nails every week, and I advise bribes!

PHChristy: but I'm going to have to do some scissoring on her head and she HATES that

christy123456_nr: yes they will open stud books again last time was in 60s

KDiamondDavis: Perhaps she would like bribes for scissoring

PHChristy: KDD, deerhounds are very hard to bribe

christy123456_nr: open books to ukc reg pitbulls

bert_nr: Stick some peanut butter on your fridge door and scissor while she licks it

KDiamondDavis: My dogs swear by bribes.

PHMowgli: they will probably not open stud books

KDiamondDavis: Christy, I've heard of dogs like that!

PHChristy: bert, hmmmm

christy123456_nr: akc standard was drawn up around colbys PRIMO a ukc reg dog

PHMowgli: that is determined by the parent breed club not the AKC christy 123

PHChristy: deerhounds tend to forget food is edible when they are having something done they dont' like

KDiamondDavis: Living with the three little pigs here, and feeding them four times a day, they think anytime is a good time for a bribe.

PHChristy: the parent clubs do the standards, nto the AKC

PHMowgli: what many people do not realize is the AKC

PHChristy: LOL Kathy

KDiamondDavis: Sort of like "There's Always Room for Jell-o"

PHChristy: I'd LOVE to have dogs who would work for food, LOL

christy123456_nr: akc changes the dogs

PHMowgli: and pudding LOL

PHChristy: but I have to accept that I don't

PHChristy: AKC doesn't change the dogs, fanciers change them

christy123456_nr: look at boxers and chow chows

PHChristy: AKC doesn't NOT change them

bert_nr: Most Sammies would sell themselves for food........ except for my male CH

PHMowgli: Christy but the AKC does not write so how can they change the dogs?

KDiamondDavis: My dogs would also work for toilet paper

PHMowgli: they do not breed

travlinpom_nr: AKC does not change the dogs

PHChristy: ROFL Kathy

PHMowgli: they also do not choose anything that is bred

PHChristy: AKC has nothing to do with it either way

KDiamondDavis: Heck, they would fight over toilet paper

PHChristy: it's the fanciers themselves who change the dogs

PHMowgli: the breeders and the parent clubs change breeds

christy123456_nr: they make a standard

PHMowgli: and the parent clubs are made up of the breeders

PHChristy: christy, they do not

bert_nr: Only the parent clubs can change the standards.

PHChristy: the parent clubs do the standards

PHMowgli: no christy the AKC does not

PHMowgli: only the parents clubs do

christy123456_nr: look it up for real

christy123456_nr: exactly

KDiamondDavis: Competition may change a breed, but the breed club sets the standard. AKC does not set any breed's standards. They only approve the wording.

PHChristy: christy, I don't have to look it up

PHMowgli: no you look it up for real

PHChristy: I"m on the board of directors of our parent club

PHChristy: for the Scottish Deerhound Club of America

PHChristy: I've had AKC dogs for 22 years

PHChristy: trust me, the AKC does not write any of the standards

bert_nr: I've worked on standards WITH the SCA the AKC suggested changes to be made and the SCA refused and they had to except it

christy123456_nr: i have had ukc dogs for 10 yrs

PHMowgli: Parent club write the standard and petition the AKC for breed acceptance

KDiamondDavis: We had a big hoo-ha in my breed's club a coupla years ago over whether to remove the penalty for gray color.

christy123456_nr: this is what i mean

KDiamondDavis: So not only does the parent club set the standard, but the members vote

KDiamondDavis: Hi harvbeck

PHChristy: hi there harv!

harvbeck: hi everyone

christy123456_nr: changing a dog look to fit the people not for function

bert_nr: UKC is not the AKC they're differenct and do things differently

PHMowgli: when teh AKC accepts a breed the parent club determines whehter or not it will be open registry or if they will only accpet dogs currently registered through them

PHChristy: christy, but that's not the AKC

PHMowgli: Welcome to Show Dog Chat!! Tonights Topic showing those veteran Dogs !!!!!!!!

christy123456_nr: the boxer jaw is ruined

PHChristy: christy, but by boxer fanciers, breeders, exhibitors

KDiamondDavis: UKC is a corporation with an owner. It's not the same type of organization as AKC.

PHChristy: harv, we have gotten off topic here a bit

harvbeck: lol

PHChristy: and are discussing breed standards and the AKC

christy123456_nr: but managed to change standards over years

PHMowgli: chrsity 123 the AKC did not breed those dogs nor did they write the standard the boxer club of america did

PHMowgli: Welcome to Show Dog Chat!! Tonights Topic showing those veteran Dogs !!!!!!!!

PHChristy: I agree breeds are changed and ruined all the time....

christy123456_nr: akc

PHChristy: hi TED!

PHMowgli: Hey TED

PHChristy: but not by the AKC

PHMowgli: hi harv

christy123456_nr: akc should not accept changing standards

bert_nr: NOT by the AKC

PHChristy: ok, folks, we do have a topic tonight of discussing "Showing Our Veterans," I promise we'll reschedule the discussion of how breed standards have impacted breeds for a later date

PHMowgli: the parent clubs are in control of their standard not the AKC

PHChristy: but for now, we're going to stick to the topic of "Showing Our Veterans"

PHMowgli: so lets get back to our topic and show our old guys

christy123456_nr: ok sounds good

christy123456_nr: ty

christy123456_nr: let me know please?

PHChristy: and how I'm going to get all this HAIR off Rosie's ears before the specialty this summer, LOL

TED D_nr: Hi folks, I have a question for an experienced breeder, any in the house tonight

PHChristy: christy, do you get our reminder?

christy123456_nr: hubby loves to aguelol

PHChristy: TED, go for it

christy123456_nr: umm i not check e-mail yet

bert_nr: Everytime you rub her head pull a couple out

PHMowgli: HI spidermom

PHMowgli: Welcome to Show Dog Chat!! Tonights Topic showing those veteran Dogs !!!!!!!!

PHChristy: christy, you can sign up for it here: http://www.doghobbyist.com/articles/DogChats.html

spidermom_nr: get your tomato juice ready the skunk has entered the room

PHChristy: bert, but I only have four months

bert_nr: Take big handfuls then LOL

PHMowgli: Christy how about if you just shave them and let them grow in slowly LOL

PHChristy: Mow, I'm thinking about something like that

PHChristy: should I take her to some real shows to get her ready? or just a couple of handling classes?

PHChristy: I haven't shown her in 5 years, maybe more

PHMowgli: well I personally like to start again at a match

christy123456_nr: well ty all see ya soon

PHChristy: I only go to puppy matches, really

PHMowgli: gets those old veterans ready again

PHChristy: night christy!

PHMowgli: night christy

PHChristy: I have never seen a match with seniors at it

travlinpom_nr: Christy, a couple of handling classes should do it . . . i just showed my veteran bitch who hadnt shown in five years, she did great

PHMowgli: our matches in my breed are for all ages

KDiamondDavis: Christy, how about start with a handling class and see how that goes?

PHChristy: Kathy, I think she might like that

bert_nr: You can put them in for exhibition only or in a handling class

TED D_nr: We just lost 5 of our 1-1/2 week old labs tonight. The mother killed them. This is her first and only litter, she is almost 4 years old and we are extremly saddened by this event. Our vet examined the dead pups and the others along with our girl and he has no explanation for this . This is so out of charater for our dog. Any ideas what has gone wrong ?

PHMowgli: yes if you can't go match class is great way

PHChristy: everyone, please let us know about your senior dogs!

KDiamondDavis: Christy, yeah, and that gives you a chance to see what she wants.

PHChristy: TED, normally it's one of two things.

christyparo_nr: hi all

PHChristy: a severe hormonal imbalance

PHMowgli: hi christy paro

PHMowgli: Welcome to Show Dog Chat!! Tonights Topic showing those veteran Dogs !!!!!!!!

christyparo_nr: i am thinking about showing and breeding

PHChristy: or a severe fright, where she felt she had to make them safe, and in some ways was trying to save them. She might have been trying to move them, or even eat them

PHMowgli: infanticide is not totally unheard of in dogs

PHChristy: it's a terrible thing, but when the hormones return to normal, so does the dog. Needless to say you can NEVER EVER breed them again, you need to spay them

PHMowgli: it is most common in a bitch who had a c-section though

christyparo_nr: whats infanticide?

travlinpom_nr: christy, what breed?

PHMowgli: killing of puppies

christyparo_nr: omg

PHMowgli: by the bitch

christyparo_nr: omg

christyparo_nr: smooth blue chow

PHChristy: TED, are there any living pups?

christyparo_nr: ever heard of ?

bert_nr: My National isn't until Sept so I have plenty of time to get ready. I am considering taking Muirgen who will be 14 by then since she can still do agiltiy jumps and floats around a ring ........ she just doesn't trust men or want strangers touching her until she meets them on her terms first

PHChristy: bert, most judges cut the veterans a LOT of slack

PHMowgli: my national is in april but I can't go this yr too far away way out by Christy LOL in Utah LOL

PHChristy: I'm going to my National in VT in May, but I wont' fly my dogs so I wn't be taking Rosie

travlinpom_nr: I just got back from Nationals

PHChristy: I'll take her to the Regional in July

TED D_nr: We are now not letting her be with the remaining 3 pups alone. She is still nursing, but not spending the time with them that she has ( almost every moment since 2 saturdays ago.

PHChristy: pom, tell tell!!!! how did you do?

PHMowgli: yep I am go to regional in June LOL

christyparo_nr: do they have nationals for pups?

PHChristy: TED, I'm so sorry that this happened

christyparo_nr: i live in new england

PHChristy: christy, our topic tonight is Veterans, senior dogs.

PHChristy: and then to the National next year in Oregon, where I can dive

PHChristy: drive

christyparo_nr: u cant come off it a bit"??

travlinpom_nr: Christy, we did okay . . . very proud of my ROM girl, she showed in a large Brood class with two of her champion get . . . took second place

PHMowgli: TED it sounds as if she is having some hormonal fluctuations

PHChristy: pom, you must be so proud

bert_nr: Ok where did everybody go?

PHChristy: TED, definitely spay her as soon as she has weaned her pups, and you're very right not to leave them alone with her

PHMowgli: we are here bert

PHChristy: I'm here bert

PHMowgli: yes you need to watch her very closely

PHMowgli: Trav did you take any boys to nationals?

PHChristy: Pom, do you ever show in Veterans?

PHChristy: I love the Veterans class, it's so moving

travlinpom_nr: Christy, i was thrilled. I was so grateful to the two owners of her girls for bringing them out to show with her. One of the girls made the final cut in Best of Breed . . . 60 specials entered, she made the cut of only three bitches

TED D_nr: Yes Christy, that is the plan. We could never go through this again.Thanks for answering.

PHChristy: although I do wonder about those who take dogs in who can barely get around the ring, sometimes I think it's better not to show those

PHChristy: TED.... hang in there. You're facing probably the hardest thing of all

PHChristy: it doesn't get any worse than that :(

PHMowgli: Christy yes I agree some veterans are just too old to show anymore

travlinpom_nr: Christy, this is the first year that i didnt show in veterans . . . i didnt know if Asa was up to it, and I had Fancy in Brood

PHChristy: breeding can be a true heartbreak

bert_nr: Nothing came through for awhile now I'm catching up

PHChristy: Pom, I love to see the old guys perk up when they hear the applause

PHMowgli: TED I hope your remaining 3 pups turn out great and you have a show winner on your hands

PHChristy: bert, I hate it when that happens

KDiamondDavis: I better scoot--miles to pedal before I sleep. Nite all.

PHChristy: night Kathy!

PHMowgli: nite Kathy thanks for stopping

PHChristy: what a terrible thing to happen to TED, that is so sad and horrifying

travlinpom_nr: Three were very large veteran classes this year, it was great to watch

PHMowgli: I know I would be upset

travlinpom_nr: Three = there

PHChristy: we'll see how Rosie does

PHChristy: she is kind of down on her front feet from too much jumping in her life

PHChristy: but still quite sound

bert_nr: What are the splits on your vetereans?

PHMowgli: I think Zeb will do good in veterans this year

PHChristy: we don't split, just by sex

PHChristy: anyone over 7

PHChristy: Mow, is Zeb a Collie or Sheltie?

PHMowgli: we do 7-12 and 12 and over

PHMowgli: zeb is a sheltie

PHChristy: 12 and over in deerhounds would be a very empty class

bert_nr: We have 7 to 10 years and 10 to 12 and over 12

PHChristy: we rarely see a veterans class with more than a dozen entered

PHChristy: sometimes far fewer

PHChristy: however, I do not really think it's fair for a 7 year old to compete with a 10 or 12 year old

bert_nr: We had three bitches two years ago. The other two are dead Muirgen is still here

PHMowgli: our over 12 often has more entries that 7-12 as often our 7-12 yr olds are still in open class LOL

PHChristy: bert, that's the biggest win of all!

bert_nr: That was the reason for our split the younger dogs always won

PHChristy: yes, that makes sense

PHChristy: I could see us separating them for that reason

PHChristy: except that the class can be so small already

PHMowgli: yes it is hard to show an older dog but it is often easier in my breed as they do nt come into full bloom until 5-6 for males

bert_nr: One of my boys placed second in the 12 and over at almost 15 several years ago

PHChristy: I think that 3-5 is the peak for males in deerhounds

travlinpom_nr: ours are 6-9 yrs and over 9 years

PHMowgli: then a yr or 2 they are ready for veterans so you just choose class and hope for best

PHChristy: bert, what an achievement!

PHChristy: they consider SIX a veteran?

bert_nr: The judge berated the owner for his lack of weight and didn't believe his age and had the steward check the catalog LOL

PHChristy: I know the Irish Wolfhounds do, but I didn't think any other breeds, especially toys, did

PHMowgli: wow bert that is great you do so well with your veterans

PHMowgli: yep those poms are not really a toy breed I am thinking

PHChristy: I'm looking at Rosie right now, thinking maybe a few pounds could come off too, LOL

PHMowgli: I think they are really a brown sammie that was placed in the dryer LOL

PHChristy: we may have to put her on Atkins

bert_nr: He was trotting very slowly and heavily until the applause started and he just poured it on.... shoot now I'm making myself cry

PHChristy: oh BERT!

PHChristy: oh that is the BEST, the best moment!

PHMowgli: bert it is a great memory

PHChristy: that's what I never miss watching veterans

PHChristy: the deerhounds will sometimes start to gallop a little, and jump up on their owner, or even take the leash in their mouth, like puppies

PHMowgli: I love to watch the veterans also and it is even better to be in the ring with them

bert_nr: Very emotional class

PHChristy: it really is

PHChristy: I personally prefer seeing the really mushy stuff like that, than the really polished show dog who still does it just like from the regular classes

PHMowgli: when you take in old guy and he comes out of the ring behaving like a puppy you know all we do with our dogs is worth it afterall

PHChristy: YES

bert_nr: Flea shrinks my Sams into Poms for small dog chat

PHChristy: LOL bert

travlinpom_nr: My friend brought out her old guy . . . one of the top winning Poms in his day, he is now almost 12 years old, it was great to watch him, he was just as stubborn and bull headed as when she showed him at two years old

PHMowgli: bert I thought we made them eskies for small dog chat LOL

bert_nr: Some of them........... I have 4 you know

PHChristy: Pom, one year there was this deerhound....

PHChristy: King David

PHMowgli: trav I think my zebby is gonna be thrilled to be back in the ring he will try to take over for the judge LOL

PHChristy: I had written him off as a stud dog for my bitch because I didn't like his underline

PHChristy: but when I saw him in that ring.... as a veteran....

PHChristy: I thought, that's one hell of a dog

PHChristy: and I was sorry

PHChristy: however, we don't have the benefit of knowing when the dogs are young, how long they will live and how well they will age

PHMowgli: yes seeing them as veterans reminds all we missed out on too

PHChristy: ooops

PHMowgli: or in the other case how wonderful we did choosing a match for our kids

PHChristy: yes

PHChristy: I've had some of my puppy buyers recently contact me, thanking me for how long their dogs lived and are living

PHMowgli: Welcome to Show Dog Chat!! Tonights Topic showing those veteran Dogs !!!!!!!!

PHChristy: WB bert!

PHMowgli: WB bert

bert_nr: got kicked off

PHChristy: harv, you're so quiet tonight!

PHMowgli: bert it said you left the room LOL

harvbeck: just listening

bert_nr: I did but not willingly

PHChristy: harv... that's ok, too!

PHMowgli: oh ok LOL

PHMowgli: we like listeners it allows me to talk more LOL

PHChristy: I have to confess, I feel a little superstitious even talking about showing Rosie, because I feel like she'll injure herself or even die

PHMowgli: don't worry I can be in a room alone and carry on a conversation

PHChristy: do you know what i mean?

bert_nr: Last chat I had to keep letting the rotten pup out........ tonight he's beside me asleep the little angel

PHMowgli: Christy I do

harvbeck: both my breeders wANT ME TO SHOW. NOT REALLY WHAT WE WERE THINKING

PHMowgli: you think cause she is retired you will acutally make her sick or something going back to work

bert_nr: Yep........ I've been hoping to run Muirgen in the Preferred agility at the National but at her age that's such a longshot

PHMowgli: harv showing can be fun

travlinpom_nr: Christy, dont feel that way . . . I always said I was going to show Sara in veterans, but i put it off, then i lost her . . . i regret to this day that i didnt get her out one more time

PHChristy: exactly

PHChristy: {{{{{{{{Trav}}}}}}}}}

PHChristy: you lost your Sara right when we lost our Duffy, I will never forget

bert_nr: If she loved it then she'll come ALIVE in the ring

PHChristy: I will take Rosie down to Lompoc in July

PHChristy: Rosie LOVED to show

PHChristy: she loves judges

PHChristy: she kisses them

PHChristy: I'll enroll her in some handling classes, and so help me if they want her vaccine records I'll BITE them

PHMowgli: well then rosie will be glad to go back

bert_nr: I just got a "note" from my vet so I have something because I didn't get her another Rabies

PHChristy: I have a rabies certificate for Rosie

PHChristy: so that will be fine

PHChristy: but some of the classes ask for DHLPP

bert_nr: Her bloodtest levels were "abit" off (as are most rawfeed dogs levels) so we

PHMowgli: bert I get a note for my veterans also as I do not like to vaccinate old dogs

PHChristy: which on an 11 year old is a bit absurd IMO

PHMowgli: well actually I do not like to vaccinate even young dogs

bert_nr: are using that as a sick dog can't have a vaccine

PHChristy: an 11 year old who has been showing and going to classes all her life

PHChristy: bert, great strategy!

bert_nr: or one Muirgen's age

PHChristy: I got an exemption for Raven, my severely allergic girl

PHChristy: she reacts badly to NORMAL things, I can't imagine what a rabies vaccine would do to her

bert_nr: It's not foolproof but the best I can do

PHChristy: we can't do more than our best

PHMowgli: I got exemption for Whitney and getting ome for ZEb too

PHChristy: and we all have to protect our dogs as best we can

bert_nr: I finally got Sir his Rabies he was 1 in January........I was abit late but don't tell

PHChristy: LOL bert

PHChristy: I think that the older they are when they get it, the less they react to it

PHMowgli: I never do rabies until 1 LOL

PHMowgli: so who am I gonna tell bert? you could just say but hey she doesn't either lOL

bert_nr: Law in Pa is now at THREE months..... it's stupid

PHChristy: there is a lot of irrational fear about rabies

harvbeck: I thought it would be inpossible to show if we dont vaccine . i can get an exempt ?

PHChristy: so many of the laws are based on superstition, not science

PHChristy: harvbeck, I've never been asked to show a vaccine proof to show a dog in my life

bert_nr: If you have a dog that is let run they "could" come in contact with a rabid animal......... but it's a longshot

PHMowgli: well law in MI is 6 mths I wait till 1 yr

PHChristy: sometimes to take classes you have to show it

PHChristy: but not to show the dog

PHMowgli: me either christy even going across state lines

PHChristy: I've heard that in Texas they make you show rabies certificates

travlinpom_nr: harvbeck, i have never been asked for a vaccine record . . . i do my own shots

harvbeck: me too

PHChristy: that's right, Harv, so many breeders do their own shots anyway

harvbeck: texas

bert_nr: There is a site in NY state that requires proof to attend their show as they're in a state park

PHChristy: that most classes are used to it

PHChristy: in Texas I believe you do have to show a rabies vax

PHChristy: but nothing else

PHChristy: I think Texas finally got its head out of its butt and went to every three year vaccines instead of annual?

bert_nr: Going into Canada you need to prove rabies

PHMowgli: to go to Canada and show yo uhave to show rabies also to cross border

PHChristy: not that there is any more reason to do it every three years than every one

PHChristy: but at least its' beter

PHChristy: yes, you do

PHChristy: I took Rosie to Canada once and I had to show it

harvbeck: rabies is required by law here that is the only vacine i will do

PHChristy: I took her up there to breed her to a Canadian dog

PHChristy: harv, me too

PHMowgli: but only rabies so all other vaccines are acutally not regulated by law so they cannot require anything other than rabies anywhere in US

bert_nr: My last litter had no shots........ I used nosodes

harvbeck: and ill stretch my time frame if i can

PHMowgli: harbeck rabies in the only vaccine required by law in US period

PHChristy: I used nosodes in the beginning

PHChristy: but now I don't use them, either

PHMowgli: all others we give out of our own fear

bert_nr: My two coming onto 9 years need a rabies this year and if I can finagle it it will be their last

PHChristy: I have used the kennel cough nosode if I get home from a show and hear there was an outbreak

travlinpom_nr: I still do five way shots for puppies, but my vet would like me to cut those down to one or two shots

PHChristy: Pom, all they need is one that works!

PHMowgli: I do 2 puppy shots at age 12 weeks and 16 weeks 1 booster at age 3 and that is it other than rabies at age 1, 4,7 then that is it

bert_nr: I just support with Echineacea prior to going to shows

bert_nr: I will never willingly give a combo shot

travlinpom_nr: Christy, oh yes, i understand that, but it would require doing titers on all the puppies to be sure of the timing

PHChristy: Pom, true, I know we have talked about that.... just supporting what your vet told you

PHMowgli: the risk to not vaccinate for me is higher than the risk of the vaccination

PHChristy: well, you DO vaccinate

bert_nr: I think combo are such an assault to the babies immune systems

PHMowgli: I think we each have to make determination by where we live and what diseases are prevalent in area too

travlinpom_nr: What my vet is suggesting is waiting until at least 12 weeks for the first shot

PHChristy: Pom, yes, my vets suggest that also

PHChristy: so their immune system can be more mature

PHMowgli: that is what I do trav then I do a second at 16 weeks just to be sure they are protected

PHChristy: we all want to protect our puppies

PHChristy: and we all find different ways to do it

travlinpom_nr: I attend shows almost every weekend, i am very concerned about what i might bring home to puppies

bert_nr: And our older dogs as well

PHMowgli: now Fallon and Keeby are 1 yr next month and I am not sure if they will get a booster it will depend on diseases