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PHMowgli: Welcome to Show Dog Chat! Tonight’s topc is "Titles what are they and how do you get one?"

GrooyChiK_nr: couldn't you see that the dog had different markings when you picked it up, i see this as your fault if i was the breeder i'd say tuff luck

EClatSPs: Performance or breed?

PHMowgli: ok everyone share you brags if you have any !!!

PHMowgli: titles perdiod eclat

EClatSPs: OK.

PHMowgli: period*

EClatSPs: LOL I knew what ya meant!

GrooyChiK_nr: breed my girl with a wild male last week

PHMowgli: glad someone did LOL

SmoothCollie_nr: Mow> no brags since October shows...LOL Shows a couple weeks ago judge totally dumped Zack for something that I sure would never show LOL

EClatSPs: I dont' have any recent brags, either.

PHMowgli: well smooth we all have those shows

PHMowgli: no brags here other than I am breeding hayleigh now tht she is in heat LOL

shihtzu lover_nr: well ill tell you what grooychik when you spend over a thousand doallors to breed and markings do matter for something we will see if you dont make afuss about it

shihtzu lover_nr: i hope you are not abreeder

EClatSPs: I'm trying to grow hair for the breed ring and she's not quite yet consistant enough for open obedience or TD.

SmoothCollie_nr: yep Mowgli... this male was tall and very narrow bodied, with a high curly tail LOL

EClatSPs: Are you a breeder, Shihtzu?

PHMowgli: wow smooth

GrooyChiK_nr: well if your spending that much money SHIH wouldn't be logic to go over the pup before you took it home

SamsSammy: Nite all....Bedtime.

shihtzu lover_nr: you seem to have missed the point

PHMowgli: ok GC and shih I think this topic is over

EClatSPs: I, too, cannot see how it would make a difference if was such a minor difference that you didn't even notice before you took the puppy.

SmoothCollie_nr: Mow> whats your e-mail... I'll send you pics of the pups now

Rouen: shih, most breeders aim for temperment and body type, rather than markings

PHMowgli: harbort@tm.net

PHMowgli: ok on to titles LOL

SmoothCollie_nr: jeez... you have a different e-mail address every time I ask for it lol

Rouen: guess shih didn't like us [img id=em-0]

Rouen: lol smooth

Rouen: it changes daily!

PHMowgli: there are so many out there today from NA to CH to CD and many more

PHMowgli: smooth I have like 5 LOL

Rouen: you need 7.. mow.. one for every day of the week

SmoothCollie_nr: Mowgli> LOL I think I have 5 or 6 too

GrooyChiK_nr: SHIH would you expect the breeder to call up the new proud owners of the puppy you originally wanted to get your puppy back based on the fact that do didn't realise before you walked out the door that you had the wrong pup in your arms are you blind or something

EClatSPs: My is BIS/RBIS U-CH UCD Jazz It Up II GCG CD. And we're almost ready to add U-CDX and CDX and TD to teh mix.

PHMowgli: ha ha rouen

PHMowgli: ha ha eclat that is quite the listing would you like to tell us what each one means and how you got them??

Rouen: imagine yelling that out the back door..

EClatSPs: LOL Lots of luck and a good dog...

EClatSPs: BIS/RBIS are not actually titles. That's for her UKC Best in Show and Reserve Best in Show.

EClatSPs: U-CH is her UKC Championship

PHMowgli: no eclat I mean tell each ring you had to go into

EClatSPs: U-CD is her UKC Companion dog title

EClatSPs: That's the intro novice level obedience.

PHMowgli: yes eclat just like that

EClatSPs: CGC is also not technically a title. That is her Canine Good Citizen.

EClatSPs: CGC is a lot of fun!

EClatSPs: And CD is the AKC Companion Dog title.

EClatSPs: I LOVE the obedience ring.

PHMowgli: me too eclat

EClatSPs: U-CDX and CDX are the next level of obedience, the open level.

PHMowgli: hey jules Welcome to Show Dog Chat tonights topc is Titles what are they and how do you get one????

Julesthegreat_nr: HEllo, I'm really new

Rouen: hi jules

Julesthegreat_nr: I have a 5month show great dane

GrooyChiK_nr: hi jules what breed?

EClatSPs: Danes are such cool dogsF!

PHMowgli: jules you are welcome here we are just discussing titles and what they are and how to get them

EClatSPs: that would be dogs.

Julesthegreat_nr: I think so too!

GrooyChiK_nr: love great danes

Julesthegreat_nr: Titles,, i see that the show ring is very political

PHMowgli: danes are pretty

Julesthegreat_nr: has that been brooched here?

Rouen: danes are nice, but they have a few faults IMO

PHMowgli: by the way I am not strict topics are just suggestions LOL

Julesthegreat_nr: gotcha

PHMowgli: oh yes jules we discuss thta often

PHMowgli: Welcome to Show Dog Chat tonights topc is Titles what are they and how do you get one????

Julesthegreat_nr: I was out searching for BARF info

Rouen: hi lowchen

PHMowgli: hi lowenchen and maile

Rouen: hi mail

Julesthegreat_nr: hello

EClatSPs: Go to the 'rawfeeding' Yahoo group.

mailepom_nr: hi everyone=)

Rouen: changing names, mow?

EClatSPs: Hello.

Julesthegreat_nr: hey, will do that. thanks

lowchenlady_nr: hi everyone

PHMowgli: no I never change names LOL

GrooyChiK_nr: thinking about showing my APBT wouldn't have a clue how to go about it though

Rouen: you called lowchen lowenchen

SmoothCollie_nr: Mowgli> Pics were just sent

Julesthegreat_nr: APBT that is a dog?

Rouen: american pit bull terrier, jules

Julesthegreat_nr: I have been taking handling and confirmation classes.

EClatSPs: American Pit Bull Terrier.

PHMowgli: great smooth I will get them after chat

Julesthegreat_nr: Very cool

Julesthegreat_nr: they are really cool

PHMowgli: american pt bull terrier

EClatSPs: That's great! Handling classes are wonderful.

SmoothCollie_nr: ok..

GrooyChiK_nr: Dingoes dont get shown here so i dont know what anything is and how to go about it

EClatSPs: I *loved* my handling class back in Oklahoma, but haven't found a good one here.

EClatSPs: GC, a good handling class is a great place to start.

PHMowgli: if I try to get mail during chat my chat room freezes up and get kicked out

GrooyChiK_nr: he's got REALLY big ears because you cant crop them here not that i would anyway

PHMowgli: GC is he registered with your registry?

EClatSPs: I've seen natural eared APBTs in the ring here.

GrooyChiK_nr: but thats a breed standard so he wouldn't get penalised for it

PHMowgli: me too eclat but of course they must be registered

mailepom_nr: my friend shows her amstaff natural ears

GrooyChiK_nr: yes MOW

EClatSPs: Yes, they do have to be registered.

PHMowgli: GC it s not a requirement for breed to be cropped

EClatSPs: Am Staff is the same breed as APBT.

PHMowgli: preferrred but not required

EClatSPs: Am Staff is how it is registered AKC and APBT with UKC.

GrooyChiK_nr: yes i know you cant crop any ears here it's illegal

Rouen: actually, they are different breeds, eclat.. maybe not to ack but they are diff

Rouen: akc*

EClatSPs: So that would be a moot point with your breed standard there.

PHMowgli: they are different an apbt is a staffie cross

EClatSPs: Hmm.. Not what I've been told.

GrooyChiK_nr: no it's not EClat they are different although once considered the same breed in the early 1900's

EClatSPs: I've known several dogs who are registered Am Staff with AKC and APBT with UKC.

Rouen: AM staff http://dogbreedinfo.com/americanstaffordshire.htm

EClatSPs: And winning in both breeds.

PHMowgli: eclat that is the UKC

Rouen: APBT http://dogbreedinfo.com/americanpitbull.htm

Rouen: alot of people have trouble telling them apart, eclat but they are different breeds

GrooyChiK_nr: no APBT is not a stffy cross its a bull and terrier cross same way staffies are but they are not the same

Rouen: same with bull staffs, and american bulldogs

EClatSPs: I just know what I've been told by several AmStaff/APBT people.

GrooyChiK_nr: you can have red nosed pitties not it's a fault in the amstaff

mailepom_nr: they are technically the same breed but have been bred separately for so long along different line

PHMowgli: well since I do not know pits or staffies I am out of this one LOL

Rouen: lol.. mow

GrooyChiK_nr: OK this is a APBT see he's got a red nose[url href=http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/index.php?photo=177495]http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/index.php?photo=177495[/url]

PHMowgli: but feel free to continue don't `mind me just because I am the host LOL

Rouen: that dog looks like a mix, chik

GrooyChiK_nr: amsaffs are a little shorter and have pronounce cheek muscles

Rouen: actually all together he looks like a poorly bred dog

mailepom_nr: I think in the standard it is preferred that they have a black nose, that's why blues have a hard time

GrooyChiK_nr: well Rouen you obviously dont know much about the old family red bloodline then

PHMowgli: well ok I think right now would be a good time to change the subject

Rouen: pits can be heavier than am staffs aswell, pit max being around 110lbs and am staff being around 70lbs

Rouen: I know how their legs and chests are supposed to look, chik, and that dog isn't formed well

GrooyChiK_nr: breed standard for pits is not to exceed 70 pounds Rouen

PHMowgli: so is anyone planning any show entries in the next month?

Rouen: if you say so chik

EClatSPs: Nope, not me.

PHMowgli: Welcome to Show Dog Chat tonights topc is Titles what are they and how do you get one????

mailepom_nr: we have a show next weekend

Rouen: hi neb

PHMowgli: oh great maile

EClatSPs: I'd love to be, but my girl just doesn't have the hair yet.

nebadon_nr: Hi there everyone

PHMowgli: hey neb

GrooyChiK_nr: how can a registered purebreed that came from a grand championed mother and father look poorly breed i paid like 2 thousand for him so dont tell me that

nebadon_nr: neat pics, but I hope it really isn't a pic of you LOL

EClatSPs: Hey, all, I better go get these two dinner.

PHMowgli: yep neb this is me I am a sheltie neonate not a hamster by the way LOL

PHMowgli: nite eclat

EClatSPs: I was *supposed* to bathe this girl, too, but that didn't happen.

EClatSPs: Oh, well. We'll at get dinner at least.

GrooyChiK_nr: Rouen he fits every breed standard down to a tee

EClatSPs: Good night, everyone!

PHMowgli: niteers

nebadon_nr: so you bought a dog from CH parents and it isn't that good???

PHMowgli: well neb champion parents does not mean the pups are gonna be good

Rouen: thats forsure, mow

nebadon_nr: you don't have to tell me that, have over 20 years in breeding

nebadon_nr: I

Rouen: the amount you pay for the dog doesn't mean he'll be good either

nebadon_nr: I was just going by the comment that was up when I came on

PHMowgli: a champonship is only the judging of a dog against of the other dogs in the ring comparing your to the standard and them

nebadon_nr: and how much the judge knows the handlers, and allthat as well

PHMowgli: oh neb tonihgts topc LOL

PHMowgli: Welcome to Show Dog Chat tonights topc is Titles what are they and how do you get one????

nebadon_nr: titles are only as good as the non-political judges that know the standards and giv eyou the points

mailepom_nr: just becaus e a dog is a champion does not make a good specimen of the breed, I've seen some horrible dogs finish

mailepom_nr: some people will enter their entire kennel to put points on a crappy dog

PHMowgli: also maile even if the dog is good does not he/she will produce quality

GrooyChiK_nr: how about this shot then Rouen it's a better one of his body [url href=http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/index.php?photo=174884]http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/index.php?photo=174884[/url]

Rouen: his legs are still bowed and toes still look splayed, chik, but his chest does look a tiny bit better

GrooyChiK_nr: so are you's telling me that pures aren't really pure and that they can be actually crossed with anything?

GrooyChiK_nr: Rouen are you a judge?

PHMowgli: hey anyone still here

Rouen: no but I've done a little studying on thier standards, chik

GrooyChiK_nr: his legs ARE NOT bowed rouen

Rouen: http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/index.php?photo=177496&user=74854 really?

nebadon_nr: being blonde on this one, but isn't their front suppose to be more powerful and forthright than their rear???

Rouen: they bow in under him

mailepom_nr: I totally agree Mowgli

GrooyChiK_nr: yes Rouen the other day i had to tell you what an English staffordshire bull terrier was and you still call them bull staffs there is no such thing

Rouen: I did a google on english staffs, according to google there is no such thing

PHMowgli: so is everyone ready for turkey day???

Rouen: going shopping tomorrow mow!

GrooyChiK_nr: a photo does not paint an acurate picture Rouen

mailepom_nr: no Thanksgiving for me =(

nebadon_nr: nope, I'm a Canuck so had mine last month, left the little turkeys for you guys LOL

GrooyChiK_nr: Rouen he has not been trained to do the proper stance

Rouen: looks like just you and me are celebrating, mow

nebadon_nr: so this dog we are looking at, what's the deal on him???

PHMowgli: why not maile

Rouen: stacked or not, you can still see his front legs, chik

PHMowgli: yeah rouen

mailepom_nr: I haven't had a nice THanksgiving dinner with family in so long, I've been away at college wayyyy too long

PHMowgli: nebadon i gave upi 30 minutes ago lol

GrooyChiK_nr: Rouen there is English staffordshire bull terriers,bull terriers,APBT,amstaffs and that is it for the bull and terrier breeds

mailepom_nr: and bf has to work that day,and night, so I figured no point in cooking just for myself, lol

GrooyChiK_nr: Rouen do you know what a Bull Terrier is?

Rouen: yes, chik

PHMowgli: oh maile no way cook for you and the dogs lol

mailepom_nr: I could do that, they are family after all, lol

GrooyChiK_nr: please explain?

PHMowgli: exactly maile so get a nice turkey for those furkids

GrooyChiK_nr: ok PHMow sorry

Rouen: explain what, and what type? minies? whites?coloreds?

PHMowgli: Welcome to Show Dog Chat tonights topc is Titles what are they and how do you get one????

nebadon_nr: Hi DD

mailepom_nr: that's a good idea Mowgli, thanks!

PHMowgli: no problem maile my dogs have me trained well LOL

PHMowgli: swiles how are you tonight?

Rouen: can they get you to sit on command, mow?

mailepom_nr: lol, they do that, don't they

swiles_nr: good how are you?

Rouen: hi swiles

nebadon_nr: rouen why is this dog so concerning to you?? I'm missing something here

PHMowgli: rouen yes they can LOL

Rouen: ned, I was ready to end this convo the first time mow said to change the subject

Rouen: neb* rather

PHMowgli: if they all jump on me at once I go down LOL

Rouen: rofl, mow

swiles_nr: hi

nebadon_nr: ok, let's leave that one and ask what does a BIS mean to you and your breeding program???

nebadon_nr: or what does a CH mean to your program

PHMowgli: well you asked LOL

PHMowgli: BIS means a dog won best in show and it means nothing to my breeding program

PHMowgli: nor does Champion or any other title except maybe cgc

PHMowgli: now I will explain that one LOL

nebadon_nr: or what does it take to be a sucessful breeder? Champions? What?

swiles_nr: what sort of dogs do you breed?

mailepom_nr: knowledge and ability to make good decisions,

PHMowgli: cgc means the dog has a friendly temperament therefore it is correct for my breed ( shelties) however the rest are only benefits to that dog or to me as the breeder but do not mean anything to what they will produc e

PHMowgli: as far as being successful I think we are successful if we produce better than the parents bred for health and proper genetic

swiles_nr: I really like shelties, they are amazingly intelligent

nebadon_nr: Playing Devilsl' Advocate..... so I have a Multi BIS BISS CAN AM CH who has CD CDX CGC TT and is Advanced Protection Trained, does that mean more? I'm in Bouviers, suppose you guys are all fromthe US???

PHMowgli: thank you swiles i am proud of my titles however they do not influence my breeding choices

swiles_nr: I am not a breeder, although I have thought of breeding my dog. He is an Aussie

PHMowgli: nebadon great good for you and him that means he does very well in the ring however let me see his offspring before I will ever use him also I want to father and grandfather and mother and g-mother and health tests

Rouen: you want to father? mow

PHMowgli: I am not sure what you expected for an answer

PHMowgli: see rouen sorry

nebadon_nr: ok, say health tests are all clear and excellent as well as the grandparents. Dog never been used, say he is 3, so what then?

PHMowgli: nebadon then I say I really like him but I will wait until he is proven

PHMowgli: because if you as the owner breeder feel he is so great you should be using him yourself

Rouen: mow's not in a rush for some bouvier pups

nebadon_nr: if he is proven on a separate line than what you are using, what will this be able to tell you?

PHMowgli: otherwise I assume there may be a problem you are reluctant of producing

PHMowgli: nebadon it will show how much of his traits he passes to his offspring

nebadon_nr: If I use him, say, this would prob be into a a line bred producing pedigree, so what would you be able to see

PHMowgli: it will also show me if his pups are too large or too small or if his litters only contain 1 or 2 pups

PHMowgli: more males or females and even in a linebred program it will still show traits being passed on because nod og is prefect they all have faults and are his pups better than him? worse? does this male correct heads? bites? tails etc etc etc

Cynops_nr: hi akll\

Cynops_nr: *all

PHMowgli: I will only know this if I see his offspring and mother of said offspring

PHMowgli: Welcome to Show Dog Chat tonights topc is Titles what are they and how do you get one????

Cynops_nr: anyone got a shekltie

nebadon_nr: hi there

PHMowgli: cynops if you mean a sheltie yes I have shelties

Cynops_nr: what did GRooVY do here?

Cynops_nr: i hearshe/he was beanned

Cynops_nr: *banned

Cynops_nr: or someone els?

PHMowgli: nothing and I have never banned anyone!!!!

nebadon_nr: Mow I commend you, you are very much on the right track, most would look at the ribbons and titles and breed to him for that and only that.

PHMowgli: hi groovy

Cynops_nr: WOH sorry

PHMowgli: WB

GRooVY_nr: why'd i get the boot?

swiles_nr: is this your chat room PHMow?

PHMowgli: yes swiles I am the host

Cynops_nr: ihi groove

swiles_nr: oh neat

Cynops_nr: WOW

PHMowgli: thank you nebadon I know i am not like all breeders except in my dream world

Cynops_nr: wow how much u breed?

nebadon_nr: keep your dreams, I have and it shows

GRooVY_nr: MOW????

PHMowgli: but I feel if we breed we need to think of the future not just today or tomorrow or our next litter but we need to look ahead yrs

Cynops_nr: wow much?

Cynops_nr: *how

Rouen: mow.. is everyone with dogs in your world rich?

nebadon_nr: me? One maybe two litters a year.... want to know how I've done and that I'm not just talking out of my hat?

PHMowgli: I only breed when I want something

Cynops_nr: wow ur buisy then

nebadon_nr: And know I'm not rich, very far from it

PHMowgli: I am breeding this month actually in about 8 days and this is my first litter in 18 mths

Cynops_nr: that must take allot of boddled and diapers and baby stuff

PHMowgli: rouen everyone in my world with dogs are midle class

Cynops_nr: u keep dogs and you breed omg ! ?!?

PHMowgli: we are average not rich but we make ends meet and we enjoy showing and our dogs

Cynops_nr: ohhhh, dogs

Cynops_nr: i thought *you* breedeed anh had a ton of babieds

PHMowgli: cynops this is a dog chat

Cynops_nr: Ok

Cynops_nr: i was lost here

PHMowgli: and the past tense of breed is bred

PHMowgli: not breeded

swiles_nr: PHM, are there any shows besides herding, agility, or games for herding dogs like my aussie? I am asking because I have watched some dog shows and I have never seen an aussie on one of them.

Cynops_nr: my dog was bit by a squierl

Cynops_nr: ok

Cynops_nr: she had fun attacking it

PHMowgli: swiles there are rallyO, obedience, herding, agility, and conformation in AKC

swiles_nr: I know I am just wondering about a dog show unlike those

PHMowgli: but swiles we now have many options with individual breed clubs

Cynops_nr: if a baby cat is a kitten, is a baby bat called a bitten ???

swiles_nr: ok

PHMowgli: including flyball an d frisbee and such just for aussies

PHMowgli: swiles also there is UKC< IABKC, ad many other registries if you want to try other registries too

Cynops_nr: and if a baby bat smiles isnt tit called a Cheshire bitten ?

Cynops_nr: brb ya

swiles_nr: ok

Cynops_nr: nice chatting

Cynops_nr: and good luck with your breededind

Cynops_nr: lol

PHMowgli: next weeks topic is getting ready for the show ring so if you are working with a new pup or bringing out an old veteran come back again next week

swiles_nr: okay I will

Cynops_nr: ok, nice chatting